Bulleid Light Pacifics

contrex

2016-01-06 22:56:42 UTC

(10th shot counting from the top left) 34004 at the head of what looks like an entirely blue and grey rake. That shot is elsewhere said to be Basingstoke in Feb 1967

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G***@live.co.uk

2016-01-07 06:44:26 UTC

Post by neil
I have recently been given a very large amount of 1950's Steam loco photos by Marcus Pettman
The majority are of S.R. steam and this next large collection feature the Bulleid Pacifics
This next collection features the Light Pacifics
Broken down into year built featured here are 345001-34004 1945
3 new photos by Marcus Pettman of 34004, again a lot of locations to id
34004 Yeovil unknown London Station
https://railway-photography.smugmug.com/SRSteam/Bulleid-Locomotives/Light-Pacific-Class/3400134020-Built-1945/3400134004/i-NDSm9NG
https://railway-photography.smugmug.com/SRSteam/Bulleid-Locomotives/Light-Pacific-Class/3400134020-Built-1945/3400134004/i-CFDNndw
Tonbridge?
https://railway-photography.smugmug.com/SRSteam/Bulleid-Locomotives/Light-Pacific-Class/3400134020-Built-1945/3400134004/i-8qKbL3J
Neil

Think this is Ashford. It's not Tonbridge as the bridge is at the other end of the station.

neil

2016-01-07 22:22:03 UTC

G***@live.co.uk

2016-01-08 18:38:58 UTC

Tonbridge; the photographer is at the Up end of the Down platform and it's a down train coming off the curve from Sevenoaks.

Post by neil
34005 possibly Cannon St
https://railway-photography.smugmug.com/SRSteam/Bulleid-Locomotives/Light-Pacific-Class/3400134020-Built-1945/3400534008/i-knhD7XF

Think it is Cannon Street - looks like the line's on a bridge in the background.

Mizter T

2016-01-11 23:29:57 UTC

Post by G***@live.co.uk

Post by neil
[...]
34005 possibly Cannon St
https://railway-photography.smugmug.com/SRSteam/Bulleid-Locomotives/Light-Pacific-Class/3400134020-Built-1945/3400534008/i-knhD7XF

Think it is Cannon Street - looks like the line's on a bridge in the background.

With what looks like it could be the chimney of Bankside Power Station
in the background.

neil

2016-01-08 22:28:39 UTC

I have recently been given a very large amount of 1950's Steam loco photos by Marcus Pettman
The majority are of S.R. steam and this next large collection feature the Bulleid Pacifics

This next collection features the Light Pacifics

Broken down into year built featured here are 34009-34014 built 1945

5 new photos by Marcus and some with no locations, any help please

34012 Launceston leaving Cannon St 13-6-1958
https://railway-photography.smugmug.com/SRSteam/Bulleid-Locomotives/Light-Pacific-Class/3400134020-Built-1945/3400934012/i-WZJTrGW
34013 Okehampton Tonbridge
https://railway-photography.smugmug.com/SRSteam/Bulleid-Locomotives/Light-Pacific-Class/3400134020-Built-1945/3400934012/i-V5rwXDW
34013 Okehampton up excursion unknown location, possibly Aashford?
https://railway-photography.smugmug.com/SRSteam/Bulleid-Locomotives/Light-Pacific-Class/3400134020-Built-1945/3400934012/i-P4V8qmD
34014 Budleigh Salterton Ashford
https://railway-photography.smugmug.com/SRSteam/Bulleid-Locomotives/Light-Pacific-Class/3400134020-Built-1945/3400934012/i-RR8dvDH
34014 Budleigh Salterton Unknown London station
https://railway-photography.smugmug.com/SRSteam/Bulleid-Locomotives/Light-Pacific-Class/3400134020-Built-1945/3400934012/i-KbSZ3rw

Neil

G***@live.co.uk

2016-01-09 07:45:15 UTC

Post by neil
I have recently been given a very large amount of 1950's Steam loco photos by Marcus Pettman
The majority are of S.R. steam and this next large collection feature the Bulleid Pacifics
This next collection features the Light Pacifics
Broken down into year built featured here are 34009-34014 built 1945
5 new photos by Marcus and some with no locations, any help please
34012 Launceston leaving Cannon St 13-6-1958
https://railway-photography.smugmug.com/SRSteam/Bulleid-Locomotives/Light-Pacific-Class/3400134020-Built-1945/3400934012/i-WZJTrGW
34013 Okehampton Tonbridge
https://railway-photography.smugmug.com/SRSteam/Bulleid-Locomotives/Light-Pacific-Class/3400134020-Built-1945/3400934012/i-V5rwXDW
34013 Okehampton up excursion unknown location, possibly Aashford?
https://railway-photography.smugmug.com/SRSteam/Bulleid-Locomotives/Light-Pacific-Class/3400134020-Built-1945/3400934012/i-P4V8qmD

Yes, it is Ashford

Post by neil
34014 Budleigh Salterton Ashford
https://railway-photography.smugmug.com/SRSteam/Bulleid-Locomotives/Light-Pacific-Class/3400134020-Built-1945/3400934012/i-RR8dvDH
34014 Budleigh Salterton Unknown London station
https://railway-photography.smugmug.com/SRSteam/Bulleid-Locomotives/Light-Pacific-Class/3400134020-Built-1945/3400934012/i-KbSZ3rw

Charing Cross.

As ever, thank you for sharing with us.

neil

2016-01-09 11:45:04 UTC

Post by G***@live.co.uk

Post by neil
I have recently been given a very large amount of 1950's Steam loco photos by Marcus Pettman
The majority are of S.R. steam and this next large collection feature the Bulleid Pacifics
This next collection features the Light Pacifics
Broken down into year built featured here are 34009-34014 built 1945
5 new photos by Marcus and some with no locations, any help please
34012 Launceston leaving Cannon St 13-6-1958
https://railway-photography.smugmug.com/SRSteam/Bulleid-Locomotives/Light-Pacific-Class/3400134020-Built-1945/3400934012/i-WZJTrGW
34013 Okehampton Tonbridge
https://railway-photography.smugmug.com/SRSteam/Bulleid-Locomotives/Light-Pacific-Class/3400134020-Built-1945/3400934012/i-V5rwXDW
34013 Okehampton up excursion unknown location, possibly Aashford?
https://railway-photography.smugmug.com/SRSteam/Bulleid-Locomotives/Light-Pacific-Class/3400134020-Built-1945/3400934012/i-P4V8qmD

Yes, it is Ashford

Charing Cross.
As ever, thank you for sharing with us.

Thanks for id's, captions updated

Neil

neil

2016-01-09 22:09:41 UTC

Please feel free to publish this message on any Facebook group, as you know i cannot
I have permission to use all of Marcus's photos

I have recently been given a very large amount of 1950's Steam loco photos by Marcus Pettman
The majority are of S.R. steam and this next large collection feature the Bulleid Pacifics

This next collection features the Light Pacifics

Broken down into year built featured here are 34015-34020 built 1945

8 new photos by Marcus and some with no locations, any help please

34015 Exmouth down boat train Ashford
https://railway-photography.smugmug.com/SRSteam/Bulleid-Locomotives/Light-Pacific-Class/3400134020-Built-1945/3401334016/i-7HdzWwz
34016 Bodmin 13-6-1958 unknown location
https://railway-photography.smugmug.com/SRSteam/Bulleid-Locomotives/Light-Pacific-Class/3400134020-Built-1945/3401334016/i-b6CjPnp
34016 Bodmin (Original condition) Waterloo 14-4-55
https://railway-photography.smugmug.com/SRSteam/Bulleid-Locomotives/Light-Pacific-Class/3400134020-Built-1945/3401334016/i-FF3n3H8
34016 Bodmin unknown location
https://railway-photography.smugmug.com/SRSteam/Bulleid-Locomotives/Light-Pacific-Class/3400134020-Built-1945/3401334016/i-VFHNfV2
34017 Ilfracombe + 70014 Iron Duke Victoria
https://railway-photography.smugmug.com/SRSteam/Bulleid-Locomotives/Light-Pacific-Class/3400134020-Built-1945/3401334016/i-qrrZPVh
34017 Ilfracombe Ashford or Tonbridge 7-6-1958
https://railway-photography.smugmug.com/SRSteam/Bulleid-Locomotives/Light-Pacific-Class/3400134020-Built-1945/3401334016/i-FsVt6HL
34017 Ilfracombe pasing Ashford Loco works (1014 in the works yard)
https://railway-photography.smugmug.com/SRSteam/Bulleid-Locomotives/Light-Pacific-Class/3400134020-Built-1945/3401334016/i-Nc8nSKZ
34019 Bideford Waterloo
https://railway-photography.smugmug.com/SRSteam/Bulleid-Locomotives/Light-Pacific-Class/3400134020-Built-1945/3401334016/i-WKmdP6c

Neil

neil

2016-01-12 22:16:25 UTC

neil

2016-01-13 22:19:37 UTC

neil

2016-01-14 20:01:25 UTC

I have recently been given a very large amount of 1950's Steam loco photos by Marcus Pettman
The majority are of S.R. steam and this next large collection feature the Bulleid Pacifics

This next collection features the Light Pacifics

Broken down into year built featured here are 34041-34048 built 1946 (and the last names after West Country locations for the time being)

4 new photo by Marcus

34044 Woolacombe unknown location and working, maybe the very large round headboard may help?
https://railway-photography.smugmug.com/SRSteam/Bulleid-Locomotives/Light-Pacific-Class/3402134052-Built-1946/3404534048/i-SXLQwmL
34044 Woolacombe Southampton
https://railway-photography.smugmug.com/SRSteam/Bulleid-Locomotives/Light-Pacific-Class/3402134052-Built-1946/3404534048/i-4s2vDqF
now preserved
34046 Braunton on a freight service Basingstoke 1-7-1959
https://railway-photography.smugmug.com/SRSteam/Bulleid-Locomotives/Light-Pacific-Class/3402134052-Built-1946/3404534048/i-pxbs3Q9
34048 Crediton Woking 30-6-1959
https://railway-photography.smugmug.com/SRSteam/Bulleid-Locomotives/Light-Pacific-Class/3402134052-Built-1946/3404534048/i-GKfnR8f

Neil

neil

2016-01-15 22:23:15 UTC

I have recently been given a very large amount of 1950's Steam loco photos by Marcus Pettman
The majority are of S.R. steam and this next large collection feature the Bulleid Pacifics

This next collection features the Light Pacifics

Broken down into year built featured here are 34049-34052 built 1946 the last of the 1946 batch and named after 'The Battle of Britain'

4 new photo by Marcus

34049 Anti-Aircraft Command Basingstoke 30-8-1958
https://railway-photography.smugmug.com/SRSteam/Bulleid-Locomotives/Light-Pacific-Class/3402134052-Built-1946/3704934052/i-WFJVm3b
34051 Winston Chuchill Worting 30-8-1958
https://railway-photography.smugmug.com/SRSteam/Bulleid-Locomotives/Light-Pacific-Class/3402134052-Built-1946/3704934052/i-x7NpvwM
34052 Lord Dowding + 31804 Basingstoke 4-3-1959
https://railway-photography.smugmug.com/SRSteam/Bulleid-Locomotives/Light-Pacific-Class/3402134052-Built-1946/3704934052/i-C7Vj7mx
34052 Lord Dowding Salisbury 27-6-1959
https://railway-photography.smugmug.com/SRSteam/Bulleid-Locomotives/Light-Pacific-Class/3402134052-Built-1946/3704934052/i-XK6CLM9

Neil

Neil

2016-01-16 22:39:47 UTC

Neil

2016-01-20 19:52:57 UTC

I have recently been given a very large amount of 1950's Steam loco photos by Marcus Pettman, and some photos i bought
The majority are of S.R. steam and this next large collection feature the Bulleid Pacifics

This next collection features the Light Pacifics

Broken down into year built featured here are 34065-34070 built 1947 These locos are all named after 'The Battle of Britain'

This first part features 34066 Spitfire on the RCTS-LCGB The Sussex Downsman 22/3/1964

34067 Spitfire @
Tunbridge Wells West
https://railway-photography.smugmug.com/Railtours-Year-by-Year/19651970/1964/RCTS-LCGB-The-Sussex-Downsman/i-mLLVG2m
https://railway-photography.smugmug.com/Railtours-Year-by-Year/19651970/1964/RCTS-LCGB-The-Sussex-Downsman/i-DBP8sk6
Brighton
https://railway-photography.smugmug.com/Railtours-Year-by-Year/19651970/1964/RCTS-LCGB-The-Sussex-Downsman/i-s94P2Gb
Hailsham
https://railway-photography.smugmug.com/Railtours-Year-by-Year/19651970/1964/RCTS-LCGB-The-Sussex-Downsman/i-H6HJHLj

Neil

Neil

2016-01-21 19:57:59 UTC

I have recently been given a very large amount of 1950's Steam loco photos by Marcus Pettman,
The majority are of S.R. steam and this next large collection feature the Bulleid Pacifics

This next collection features the Light Pacifics

Broken down into year built featured here are 34065-34070 built 1947 These locos are all named after 'The Battle of Britain'

lots of new photos by Marcus in this collection including this one of

34070 Manston+34066 Spitfire backing through Newhaven to pick up boat trains 16/5/1955
https://railway-photography.smugmug.com/SRSteam/Bulleid-Locomotives/Light-Pacific-Class/3405334070-Built-1947/3406534068/i-VWjK97q

34065 Hurricane 30-8-1958
https://railway-photography.smugmug.com/SRSteam/Bulleid-Locomotives/Light-Pacific-Class/3405334070-Built-1947/3406534068/i-5jG9JQK
34065 Hurricane down boat train Ashford
https://railway-photography.smugmug.com/SRSteam/Bulleid-Locomotives/Light-Pacific-Class/3405334070-Built-1947/3406534068/i-5XTqBxX

34066 Spitfire up boat train Ashford
https://railway-photography.smugmug.com/SRSteam/Bulleid-Locomotives/Light-Pacific-Class/3405334070-Built-1947/3406534068/i-srHJ42g

also included in now preserved Tangmere
34067 Tangmere Tonbridge
https://railway-photography.smugmug.com/SRSteam/Bulleid-Locomotives/Light-Pacific-Class/3405334070-Built-1947/3406534068/i-zfx7ghj
34067 Tangmere up 2 separate boat trains at Ashford
https://railway-photography.smugmug.com/SRSteam/Bulleid-Locomotives/Light-Pacific-Class/3405334070-Built-1947/3406534068/i-zfx7ghj
&
https://railway-photography.smugmug.com/SRSteam/Bulleid-Locomotives/Light-Pacific-Class/3405334070-Built-1947/3406534068/i-wcN7zwx
https://railway-photography.smugmug.com/SRSteam/Bulleid-Locomotives/Light-Pacific-Class/3405334070-Built-1947/3406534068/i-2Mg4N3W

34069 Hawkinge + 30907 Dulwich Victoria 10-4-1957
https://railway-photography.smugmug.com/SRSteam/Bulleid-Locomotives/Light-Pacific-Class/3405334070-Built-1947/3406534068/i-hBFnq3B

and now preserved Manston
34070 Manston passing Ashford Works with a down boat train
https://railway-photography.smugmug.com/SRSteam/Bulleid-Locomotives/Light-Pacific-Class/3405334070-Built-1947/3406534068/i-Dt3rdvb

Neil

Neil

2016-01-22 20:00:02 UTC

I have recently been given a very large amount of 1950's Steam loco photos by Marcus Pettman,
The majority are of S.R. steam and this next large collection feature the Bulleid Pacifics

This next collection features the Light Pacifics

Broken down into year built featured here are 34071-34078 built 1948 These locos are all named after 'The Battle of Britain'

lots of new photos by Marcus in this collection including this one of

34071 601 Squadron,34005,34089,34098-30930 + 73085+087 Stewarts Lane
https://railway-photography.smugmug.com/SRSteam/Bulleid-Locomotives/Light-Pacific-Class/3407134089-Built-1948/3407134074/i-pm92h2b

34071 in full Golden Arrow regalia Victoria
https://railway-photography.smugmug.com/SRSteam/Bulleid-Locomotives/Light-Pacific-Class/3407134089-Built-1948/3407134074/i-W7t7RKd
https://railway-photography.smugmug.com/SRSteam/Bulleid-Locomotives/Light-Pacific-Class/3407134089-Built-1948/3407134074/i-zqJ9PTz

now preserved 34072
34072 257 Squadron 'The Man of Kent' Tonbridge
https://railway-photography.smugmug.com/SRSteam/Bulleid-Locomotives/Light-Pacific-Class/3407134089-Built-1948/3407134074/i-F6Rv8Sh
& unknown location
https://railway-photography.smugmug.com/SRSteam/Bulleid-Locomotives/Light-Pacific-Class/3407134089-Built-1948/3407134074/i-NVCJ6cx

34076 41 Squadron Tonbridge 13-7-1954
https://railway-photography.smugmug.com/SRSteam/Bulleid-Locomotives/Light-Pacific-Class/3407134089-Built-1948/3407134074/i-jRKpb4h

34076 41 Squadron doing some ecs/banking duties at Victoria
https://railway-photography.smugmug.com/SRSteam/Bulleid-Locomotives/Light-Pacific-Class/3407134089-Built-1948/3407134074/i-sf78fBQ
https://railway-photography.smugmug.com/SRSteam/Bulleid-Locomotives/Light-Pacific-Class/3407134089-Built-1948/3407134074/i-QRRx8Vp
and on the rear of another service
https://railway-photography.smugmug.com/SRSteam/Bulleid-Locomotives/Light-Pacific-Class/3407134089-Built-1948/3407134074/i-FGSp2X3

34077 603 Squadron Canon Street
https://railway-photography.smugmug.com/SRSteam/Bulleid-Locomotives/Light-Pacific-Class/3407134089-Built-1948/3407134074/i-SFXZGXR

Neil

Neil

2016-01-23 19:54:25 UTC

large amount of 1950's Steam loco photos by Marcus Pettman,
The majority are of S.R. steam and this next large collection feature the Bulleid Pacifics

This next collection features the Light Pacifics

Broken down into year built featured here are 34079-34086 built 1948 These locos are all named after 'The Battle of Britain'

lots of new photos by Marcus in this collection some need locations please

34079 141 Squadron Cannon Street 27-5-1957
https://railway-photography.smugmug.com/SRSteam/Bulleid-Locomotives/Light-Pacific-Class/3407134089-Built-1948/3407934082/i-9frR5LC
34081 92 Squadron Cannon Street January 1957
https://railway-photography.smugmug.com/SRSteam/Bulleid-Locomotives/Light-Pacific-Class/3407134089-Built-1948/3407934082/i-52pDqdd
https://railway-photography.smugmug.com/SRSteam/Bulleid-Locomotives/Light-Pacific-Class/3407134089-Built-1948/3407934082/i-d3mKPCV
34082 615 Squadron Cannon Street 20-2-1957 (2)
https://railway-photography.smugmug.com/SRSteam/Bulleid-Locomotives/Light-Pacific-Class/3407134089-Built-1948/3407934082/i-GwP5DZN
https://railway-photography.smugmug.com/SRSteam/Bulleid-Locomotives/Light-Pacific-Class/3407134089-Built-1948/3407934082/i-QRCps39
34084 253 Squadron down boat train
https://railway-photography.smugmug.com/SRSteam/Bulleid-Locomotives/Light-Pacific-Class/3407134089-Built-1948/3407934082/i-2CQ4cxz
https://railway-photography.smugmug.com/SRSteam/Bulleid-Locomotives/Light-Pacific-Class/3407134089-Built-1948/3407934082/i-ST3jTWm
34085 501 Squadron Cannon St 9-2-1957
https://railway-photography.smugmug.com/SRSteam/Bulleid-Locomotives/Light-Pacific-Class/3407134089-Built-1948/3407934082/i-xpFChvJ
https://railway-photography.smugmug.com/SRSteam/Bulleid-Locomotives/Light-Pacific-Class/3407134089-Built-1948/3407934082/i-JZbKPBF
34085 unknown location
https://railway-photography.smugmug.com/SRSteam/Bulleid-Locomotives/Light-Pacific-Class/3407134089-Built-1948/3407934082/i-hZdSZWK
34085 501 Squadron down 'Golden Arrow' Tonbridge 23/8/1958
https://railway-photography.smugmug.com/SRSteam/Bulleid-Locomotives/Light-Pacific-Class/3407134089-Built-1948/3407934082/i-QGGLmp7
34086 219 Squadron approaching Margate
https://railway-photography.smugmug.com/SRSteam/Bulleid-Locomotives/Light-Pacific-Class/3407134089-Built-1948/3407934082/i-DSQsTfQ

Neil

Neil

2016-01-25 22:19:04 UTC

ian batten

2016-01-26 00:10:56 UTC

This photograph:

https://railway-photography.smugmug.com/SRSteam/Bulleid-Locomotives/Light-Pacific-Class/3402134052-Built-1946/3704934052/i-wzvPh3H

shows the utter madness of BT traction policy. Winston Churchill, built 1946,
withdrawn (unrebuilt) 1965 is seen in its last year of operation hauling Ottery
St Mary, built 1946, rebuilt 1958, withdrawn 1964 to (presumably) a breaker's
yard. What were they playing at, doing massively expensive rebuilds on light
pacifics which (if I recall correctly from reading about it in more detail) had
a pay-back period of twenty years, when large-scale withdrawal of non-standard
steam had already started? To do a complete rebuild of locomotives, including
complete new valve gear to a new design, for six years' service? And the rebuilds
continued, astoundingly, until 1961 (Tamar Valley). Did they seriously think steam
was going to continue in service until 1981?

ian

Christopher A. Lee

2016-01-26 00:22:08 UTC

On Mon, 25 Jan 2016 16:10:56 -0800 (PST), ian batten

https://railway-photography.smugmug.com/SRSteam/Bulleid-Locomotives/Light-Pacific-Class/3402134052-Built-1946/3704934052/i-wzvPh3H
shows the utter madness of BT traction policy. Winston Churchill, built 1946,
withdrawn (unrebuilt) 1965 is seen in its last year of operation hauling Ottery
St Mary, built 1946, rebuilt 1958, withdrawn 1964 to (presumably) a breaker's
yard. What were they playing at, doing massively expensive rebuilds on light
pacifics which (if I recall correctly from reading about it in more detail) had
a pay-back period of twenty years, when large-scale withdrawal of non-standard
steam had already started? To do a complete rebuild of locomotives, including
complete new valve gear to a new design, for six years' service? And the rebuilds
continued, astoundingly, until 1961 (Tamar Valley). Did they seriously think steam
was going to continue in service until 1981?
ian

Because they had too many problems. The rebuilds eliminated them while
retaining the good stuff like Bulleid's magnificent boilers.

The chains driving the valve gear stretched and the steam reverser
wouldn't keep the locomotives at the right cutoff. There are stories
of crews not knowing whether their locomotive would start in forward
or reverse, The chains ran in an oil bath to keep them lubricated, but
this had a habit of leaking and catching fire.

The rebuilds were far better locomotives than the originals, but they
were too heavy for some of the lines in Devon and Cornwall which is
why some of the light pacifics weren't rebuilt.

ian batten

2016-01-26 06:50:36 UTC

Post by Christopher A. Lee
On Mon, 25 Jan 2016 16:10:56 -0800 (PST), ian batten

Because they had too many problems. The rebuilds eliminated them while
retaining the good stuff like Bulleid's magnificent boilers.

Yes, I know the problems with them. It would have been cheaper, however, to
either continue maintaining them or to have just scrapped them, than to spend
a fortune rebuilding them and then scrap them anyway.

Post by Christopher A. Lee
The rebuilds were far better locomotives than the originals,

But were still withdrawn within five years. So the rebuilds got, what,
a couple of years extra out of them, moving them from the front to
the back of the scrap queue?

ian

r***@gmail.com

2016-01-26 10:34:09 UTC

Post by Christopher A. Lee
On Mon, 25 Jan 2016 16:10:56 -0800 (PST), ian batten

Because they had too many problems. The rebuilds eliminated them while
retaining the good stuff like Bulleid's magnificent boilers.

Looking at a few dates: rebuilding program starts in 1957. Delivery of type 4 DE locomotives begins early 1958. Withdrawl of ex-LMS and ex-LNER larger passenger steam locomotive fleets begins 1961. Rebuilding program stops 1961. So money was being spent rebuilding these locomotives *at the same time* as functional locomotives capable of handling the same duties without modifications were being scrapped elsewhere on the network. Every part of this looks like a mixture of right hand not knowing what left hand is doing, with a generous helping of regional NIH.

Robin

Graeme Wall

2016-01-26 11:06:25 UTC

Post by Christopher A. Lee
On Mon, 25 Jan 2016 16:10:56 -0800 (PST), ian batten

Because they had too many problems. The rebuilds eliminated them while
retaining the good stuff like Bulleid's magnificent boilers.

Though to replace the BB/WCs they needed mixed traffic locos rather the
larger express passenger locos. Your timetable is slightly out, they
stopped the rebuilds about the same time as the other regions started
withdrawing locos.

With regard to Ian's point about payback times, I seem to remember the
original timetable for the elimination of steam was that it would be
completed by 1975. Which would still make the rebuild programme
economically suspect.

--
Graeme Wall
This account not read.

r***@gmail.com

2016-01-26 12:03:44 UTC

Post by r***@gmail.com
Looking at a few dates: rebuilding program starts in 1957. Delivery
of type 4 DE locomotives begins early 1958. Withdrawl of ex-LMS and
ex-LNER larger passenger steam locomotive fleets begins 1961.
Rebuilding program stops 1961. So money was being spent rebuilding
these locomotives *at the same time* as functional locomotives
capable of handling the same duties without modifications were being
scrapped elsewhere on the network. Every part of this looks like a
mixture of right hand not knowing what left hand is doing, with a
generous helping of regional NIH.

Though to replace the BB/WCs they needed mixed traffic locos rather the
larger express passenger locos.

The BB/WC as rebuilt had 6'2" drivers and a nominal TE of 27,720 lbf. Comparable classes include:
V2 (6'2", 33,730 lbf)
B1 (6'2", 26,878 lbf)
GWR County (6'2", 32,580 lbf)
Hall (6'0", 27,275 lbf)

Post by Graeme Wall
Your timetable is slightly out, they stopped the rebuilds about the same
time as the other regions started withdrawing locos.

Right, but you don't just wake up one morning and decide that you can withdraw a bunch of locomotives. It would have been clear perhaps a couple of years ahead of time that new builds of diesels would be making old locomotives redundant.

There were 110 BB/WC built, of which 60 were rebuilt. By the end of 1962, one year after the rebuilding program stopped (and only 4 years after it began), the scrap lines contained:
69 V2, 121 B1, 8 county (I can't find dates for Hall but they were being withdrawn in numbers by then).

By the end of 1962, the entire BB/WC fleet could have been replaced by Thompson B1s, or if they wanted something a little beefier, all of the rebuilt examples could have been replaced with V2s, with several V2s left over.

Robin

Graeme Wall

2016-01-26 13:11:55 UTC

Though to replace the BB/WCs they needed mixed traffic locos rather the
larger express passenger locos.

V2 (6'2", 33,730 lbf)
B1 (6'2", 26,878 lbf)
GWR County (6'2", 32,580 lbf)
Hall (6'0", 27,275 lbf)

Post by Graeme Wall
Your timetable is slightly out, they stopped the rebuilds about the same
time as the other regions started withdrawing locos.

The decision to reduce the changeover period from 15 to 5 years seems to
have been taken somewaht abruptly.

Post by r***@gmail.com
69 V2, 121 B1, 8 county (I can't find dates for Hall but they were being withdrawn in numbers by then).
By the end of 1962, the entire BB/WC fleet could have been replaced by Thompson B1s, or if they wanted something a little beefier, all of the rebuilt examples could have been replaced with V2s, with several V2s left over.

By which time they'd stopped the rebuilds so I am not quite sure what
your general point is. Drafting in large fleets of unfamiliar foreign
loco that late in the day wouldn't have been that much of a advantage
with its attendant problems of training and supply chains for spares.
With a suddenly limited lifespan it made more sense to continue with
what you had to hand.

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Christopher A. Lee

2016-01-26 13:57:19 UTC

On Tue, 26 Jan 2016 13:11:55 +0000, Graeme Wall

Though to replace the BB/WCs they needed mixed traffic locos rather the
larger express passenger locos.

V2 (6'2", 33,730 lbf)
B1 (6'2", 26,878 lbf)
GWR County (6'2", 32,580 lbf)
Hall (6'0", 27,275 lbf)

Post by Graeme Wall
Your timetable is slightly out, they stopped the rebuilds about the same
time as the other regions started withdrawing locos.

The decision to reduce the changeover period from 15 to 5 years seems to
have been taken somewaht abruptly.

And as with similar threads, people are looking at it with the benefit
of hindsight.

Charlie Hulme

2016-01-26 14:41:23 UTC

Post by Christopher A. Lee
And as with similar threads, people are looking at it with the
benefit of hindsight.

That's how history works!

I believe that a natural wish to keep engineers employed on the
railway was at the root of the continued development of steam.

The Bulleid pacific project is particularly hard to understand
though.

Charlie

ian batten

2016-01-26 16:07:40 UTC

Post by Charlie Hulme

Post by Christopher A. Lee
And as with similar threads, people are looking at it with the
benefit of hindsight.

That's how history works!
I believe that a natural wish to keep engineers employed on the
railway was at the root of the continued development of steam.

I've recently read this:

http://www.ianallanpublishing.com/railway/uk/the-modernisation-plan-british-railways-blueprint-for-the-future.htm

It makes the argument that the Standards were a vanity project for
a bunch of old men more forcefully than I have, but adds another accusation:
that the later batches of 9Fs, built at Swindon, were done by the
expedient of re-opening steam facilities that had already closed, on
the basis of spurious projections of need, in order to keep Swindon staff
employed.

ian

Graeme Wall

2016-01-26 16:49:52 UTC

Post by Charlie Hulme

Post by Christopher A. Lee
And as with similar threads, people are looking at it with the
benefit of hindsight.

That's how history works!
I believe that a natural wish to keep engineers employed on the
railway was at the root of the continued development of steam.

http://www.ianallanpublishing.com/railway/uk/the-modernisation-plan-british-railways-blueprint-for-the-future.htm
It makes the argument that the Standards were a vanity project for
that the later batches of 9Fs, built at Swindon, were done by the
expedient of re-opening steam facilities that had already closed, on
the basis of spurious projections of need, in order to keep Swindon staff
employed.

Not heard that version before, the orthodox view is that Swindon
deliberately slowed down production so that the last 9F, and thus the
last steam engine, would be constructed there.

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ian batten

2016-01-26 16:12:37 UTC

Post by Graeme Wall
By which time they'd stopped the rebuilds so I am not quite sure what
your general point is. Drafting in large fleets of unfamiliar foreign
loco

That ship had already sailed with the introduction of BR Standards, which
were essentially LMS engines in new clothes and had very little in common
with SR stock. Nonetheless, plenty of standards operated on Southern metals.

And the supply chain argument falls as well, because the rebuilt engines
contained large amounts of newly designed, newly fabricated parts, so
it would have been little different to introduce other stock, which was just
as new.

We've rehearsed the reasons why the "oh, the Light Pacifics were mixed
traffic" line is dubious before: Bulleid claimed that in order to continue to
design and build express passenger locomotives in war time, but (a) they
were manifestly designed as express passenger locomotives and (b) as
things panned out, it turned out that the whole concept of fine gradations
in wheel sizes was nonsense anyway, witness express passenger use of
9Fs and the later use of not only Brittanias but also various other Pacific
"passenger" stock for goods use. Yes, there was an argument about ultimate
traction and, for unfitted goods, braking power, but in general the differences
turned out to be very small.

ian

Graeme Wall

2016-01-26 16:54:14 UTC

Post by Graeme Wall
By which time they'd stopped the rebuilds so I am not quite sure what
your general point is. Drafting in large fleets of unfamiliar foreign
loco

That was the Merchant Navies.

Post by ian batten
and (b) as
things panned out, it turned out that the whole concept of fine gradations
in wheel sizes was nonsense anyway, witness express passenger use of
9Fs and the later use of not only Brittanias but also various other Pacific
"passenger" stock for goods use.

Could be argued that was as a result of them being displaced by modern
traction, not that they were particularly suited to goods work.

If it was a nonsense then it was one railways round the world had
believed for a century or more.

Post by ian batten
Yes, there was an argument about ultimate
traction and, for unfitted goods, braking power, but in general the differences
turned out to be very small.
ian

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ian batten

2016-01-26 17:26:03 UTC

Post by Graeme Wall
By which time they'd stopped the rebuilds so I am not quite sure what
your general point is. Drafting in large fleets of unfamiliar foreign
loco

That was the Merchant Navies.

Merchant Navy: 6'2" driver diameter, 37k5 lbf tractive effort

Light Pacifics: 6'2" driver diameter, 31 lbf tractive effort.

The light pacifics were ordered in 1941 and construction started
in 1944. Delivery started in May 1945. It was the same argument:
oh, these are mixed traffic, no express locomotives. Were any of them
ever used for goods traffic until the very end of steam, when anything
that could raise a fire was used?

Could be argued that was as a result of them being displaced by modern
traction, not that they were particularly suited to goods work.
If it was a nonsense then it was one railways round the world had
believed for a century or more.

It was, but one which later work shows to be simply overstated. Look at the
original plans for the standards, with multiple variations on
what become the Britannia, differing only in driver size. My copy of

http://www.amazon.co.uk/British-Railways-Standard-Steam-Locomotives/dp/0711004498

is at home, but I think there were three.

Cox, and others, claim that with hindsight the wheel diameter
argument wasn't relevant with "modern" (ie, 1930s) onwards
long lap valve gear, even it had been true earlier.

ian

Graeme Wall

2016-01-26 18:26:26 UTC

Post by Graeme Wall
By which time they'd stopped the rebuilds so I am not quite sure what
your general point is. Drafting in large fleets of unfamiliar foreign
loco

That was the Merchant Navies.

Merchant Navy: 6'2" driver diameter, 37k5 lbf tractive effort
Light Pacifics: 6'2" driver diameter, 31 lbf tractive effort.

The key difference was the lighter axle loading enabling them to operate
on secondary routes.

Post by ian batten
The light pacifics were ordered in 1941 and construction started
oh, these are mixed traffic, no express locomotives. Were any of them
ever used for goods traffic until the very end of steam, when anything
that could raise a fire was used?

There's a fair bit of photographic evidence they were used on goods
services throughout their careers.

Could be argued that was as a result of them being displaced by modern
traction, not that they were particularly suited to goods work.
If it was a nonsense then it was one railways round the world had
believed for a century or more.

It was, but one which later work shows to be simply overstated. Look at the
original plans for the standards, with multiple variations on
what become the Britannia, differing only in driver size. My copy of
http://www.amazon.co.uk/British-Railways-Standard-Steam-Locomotives/dp/0711004498
is at home, but I think there were three.
Cox, and others, claim that with hindsight the wheel diameter
argument wasn't relevant with "modern" (ie, 1930s) onwards
long lap valve gear, even it had been true earlier.

Ah, with hindsight. So not nonsense, just not as significant as in
former times.

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r***@gmail.com

2016-01-26 16:25:20 UTC

Though to replace the BB/WCs they needed mixed traffic locos rather the
larger express passenger locos.

V2 (6'2", 33,730 lbf)
B1 (6'2", 26,878 lbf)
GWR County (6'2", 32,580 lbf)
Hall (6'0", 27,275 lbf)

Post by Graeme Wall
Your timetable is slightly out, they stopped the rebuilds about the same
time as the other regions started withdrawing locos.

The decision to reduce the changeover period from 15 to 5 years seems to
have been taken somewhat abruptly.

Post by r***@gmail.com
There were 110 BB/WC built, of which 60 were rebuilt. By the end of
1962, one year after the rebuilding program stopped (and only 4 years
69 V2, 121 B1, 8 county (I can't find dates for Hall but they were
being withdrawn in numbers by then).
By the end of 1962, the entire BB/WC fleet could have been replaced by
Thompson B1s, or if they wanted something a little beefier, all of the
rebuilt examples could have been replaced with V2s, with several V2s
left over.

By which time they'd stopped the rebuilds so I am not quite sure what
your general point is.

My point is the decision process that led to this state of affairs, namely the ordering of the type 4 DEs happened before the rebuild program even began. BR didn't wake up on the morning of 14 March 1958 and accidentally trip over D200 that they weren't expecting. They'd approved the designs and placed the orders. It is inconceivable that, when the rebuild process began in 1957, this hadn't already happened. The point isn't that the rebuild process went on too long, it was that it started so late in the day, it can only be gross incompetence that let it even begin.

Post by Graeme Wall
Drafting in large fleets of unfamiliar foreign loco that late in the day
wouldn't have been that much of a advantage with its attendant problems
of training and supply chains for spares. With a suddenly limited
lifespan it made more sense to continue with what you had to hand.

Given the extensive nature of the rebuilds, all the same points argue against the rebuilding process just as much as they do against the bringing in of otherwise scrap replacements.

Robin

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2016-01-26 17:09:47 UTC

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2016-01-26 18:41:58 UTC

Post by Graeme Wall
If only things were so clear cut. Even after the introduction of the
Class 40s they weren't regarded by all concerned as suitable
replacements for, eg, the Britannias, being turned down by the Eastern
Region.

"Not invented here".

Or not any improvement over what we've got and a significant number of
built in problems. I don't think anyone could argue that the Class 40s
were the last word in diesel development even when new.

Post by ian batten
Look at the refusal of the WR to accept standards
(which are now, I think, pretty universally regarded as successful engineering
but a commercial basket case) mostly because they didn't come from the
GWR tradition.

The WR didn't really need them, they had an adequate supply of their own
standards with many components applicable across a wide range of classes
already. The Eastern Region especially was in greater need of new and
reliable motive power at least at the beginning.

Post by ian batten
If you start from the assumption that every account of "loco
accepted by region X but rejected by region Y" was about nostalgia and regional
rivalry, you won't go far wrong.

Post by Graeme Wall
We've all
rehearsed better options than the rebuild programme but in the 1950s and
1960s the various regions were still fairly autonomous and only loosely
subject to control by BR management.

And that was part of the reason why they were pissing money down the drain.

Post by Graeme Wall
Which argues against the rebuild programme, Ian has made the same point.
My point, which was unclear, is that they would have been better off
just soldiering on with the unrebuilt Bulleids for a few years more.

Yes, I agree. Which would have put them at the front of the scrap line,
not the back, but there was no shortage of Pacifics: after all, by the end
of steam, the A4s were being used for Scottish semi-fasts.

But the A4s, and their LMS equivalents, would be too heavy for the
secondary routes the WCs were intended for. Incidentally the 40s would
also have been too heavy!

Post by ian batten
Bulleid was too prone to creating money-pits, or his management were
frightened of him and didn't stop him. Merchant Navies: required either rebuilding
or scrapping. Light Pacifics: required either scrapping or rebuilding. Those are
both down to completely unusable valve gear of Bulleid's devising.
Then he
moved on to Leader, which failed for many reasons including, oh look, _another_
Bulleid special valve gear, this time sleeve valves (already massively problematic
on Napier Sabre engines, requiring massive maintenance in the rather more
rarefied world of aviation, utterly unsuited to steam traction). Sure he designed
boilers that worked (although the Leader's problems also included massive
distortion in the fire box) but boiler efficiency was rarely the problem the railways
confronted at scale by 1945: there was a lot more trouble around valves, frames
and axle boxes. After all, even the very late designs like the standards suffered
from frame cracking.

I never did understand how Bulleid got away with it for so long.

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Jeremy Double

2016-01-26 18:07:24 UTC

Though to replace the BB/WCs they needed mixed traffic locos rather the
larger express passenger locos.

The BB/WC as rebuilt had 6'2" drivers and a nominal TE of 27,720 lbf.
V2 (6'2", 33,730 lbf)
B1 (6'2", 26,878 lbf)
GWR County (6'2", 32,580 lbf)
Hall (6'0", 27,275 lbf)

The B1s and Halls were 5MT, so not comparable with the 7P6F (at the time in
question, earlier they were 6MT) of the Bullied Light Pacifics.

The route availability of the V2s was not as good as the Bullied Light
Pacifics (which were designed to have a maximum axle load of 19 tons). The
V2s were RA9 in the LNER system, the most restrictive route availability,
with a maximum axle load of "21.25 tons and over", RCTS Locomotives of the
LNER Part 1, page 82. Remember that the Light Pacifics were built to work
on routes where the Merchant Navies were too heavy.

Post by r***@gmail.com
There were 110 BB/WC built, of which 60 were rebuilt. By the end of
1962, one year after the rebuilding program stopped (and only 4 years
69 V2, 121 B1, 8 county (I can't find dates for Hall but they were being
withdrawn in numbers by then).
By the end of 1962, the entire BB/WC fleet could have been replaced by
Thompson B1s, or if they wanted something a little beefier, all of the
rebuilt examples could have been replaced with V2s, with several V2s left over.

The B1s were less powerful, and the V2s had a considerably more restricted
route availability, so I don't think that approach would have worked.

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Graeme Wall

2016-01-26 08:35:11 UTC

They were building brand new steam locos up till 1960! But then the
original plan was to phase in diesel traction over a period of 15 years.
Still doesn't justify the BB/WC rebuilds when it would have been
quicker and cheaper to scrap them and replace them with a follow on
order for some Clans or whatever seemed appropriate.

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Neil

2016-01-26 22:25:43 UTC

I have been given a large amount of 1950's Steam loco photos by Marcus Pettman,
The majority are of S.R. steam and this next large collection feature the Bulleid Pacifics

This next collection features the Light Pacifics

Broken down into year built featured here are 34090-34093 built 1948 under BR. These locos are all named after West Country locations
quite a few are unknown locations, so some help needed please

6 new photos by Marcus in this collection

34091 Weymouth Golden Arrow Full Golden Arrow regalia Ashford
https://railway-photography.smugmug.com/SRSteam/Bulleid-Locomotives/Light-Pacific-Class/3409034100-Built-1949/3409034093/i-8g25CK2
some photos of now preserved 34092

34092 City of Wells down boat train unknown location
https://railway-photography.smugmug.com/SRSteam/Bulleid-Locomotives/Light-Pacific-Class/3409034100-Built-1949/3409034093/i-mxT22NT
34092 City of Wells Victoria Station 1957
https://railway-photography.smugmug.com/SRSteam/Bulleid-Locomotives/Light-Pacific-Class/3409034100-Built-1949/3409034093/i-pfvHk9G
34093 Saunton down Bournemouth service 30-8-1958 unknown location
https://railway-photography.smugmug.com/SRSteam/Bulleid-Locomotives/Light-Pacific-Class/3409034100-Built-1949/3409034093/i-Lh8rgfb
34093 Saunton unknown location (1)
https://railway-photography.smugmug.com/SRSteam/Bulleid-Locomotives/Light-Pacific-Class/3409034100-Built-1949/3409034093/i-66srbN5
34093 Saunton unknown location (2)
https://railway-photography.smugmug.com/SRSteam/Bulleid-Locomotives/Light-Pacific-Class/3409034100-Built-1949/3409034093/i-vPTzbC5

Neil

Neil

2016-01-27 22:30:22 UTC

I have been given a large amount of 1950's Steam loco photos by Marcus Pettman,
The majority are of S.R. steam and this next large collection feature the Bulleid Pacifics

This next collection features the Light Pacifics

Broken down into year built featured here are 34094-34097 built 1948 under BR. These locos are all named after West Country locations
quite a few are unknown locations, so some help needed please

6 new photos by Marcus in this collection including 2in1

34095 Brentor + 34094 Mortehoe unknown station
https://railway-photography.smugmug.com/SRSteam/Bulleid-Locomotives/Light-Pacific-Class/3409034100-Built-1949/3709434097/i-sSNb9QH
34094 Mortehoe on its own
https://railway-photography.smugmug.com/SRSteam/Bulleid-Locomotives/Light-Pacific-Class/3409034100-Built-1949/3709434097/i-VHXffVV

Not by Marcus but fits in this collection
34094 Mortehoe at Doncaster Warwickshire Railway Society tour 12/5/1963 No 'elf & safety in those days!!!
https://railway-photography.smugmug.com/SRSteam/Bulleid-Locomotives/Light-Pacific-Class/3409034100-Built-1949/3709434097/i-qjWSfhN

Back to Marcus's photos
34094 Moretehoe Waterloo 'The Royal Wessex'
https://railway-photography.smugmug.com/SRSteam/Bulleid-Locomotives/Light-Pacific-Class/3409034100-Built-1949/3709434097/i-DQHdcHh
34096 Trevone Charing Cross
https://railway-photography.smugmug.com/SRSteam/Bulleid-Locomotives/Light-Pacific-Class/3409034100-Built-1949/3709434097/i-rDdHTqT
34097 Holsworthy Victoria Station 10-4-1957
https://railway-photography.smugmug.com/SRSteam/Bulleid-Locomotives/Light-Pacific-Class/3409034100-Built-1949/3709434097/i-CWWJCPL
34097 Holsworthy Tonbridge
https://railway-photography.smugmug.com/SRSteam/Bulleid-Locomotives/Light-Pacific-Class/3409034100-Built-1949/3709434097/i-95Zscjq

Neil

Neil

2016-01-28 22:36:43 UTC

I have been given a large amount of 1950's Steam loco photos by Marcus Pettman,
The majority are of S.R. steam and this next large collection feature the Bulleid Pacifics

This next collection features the Light Pacifics

Broken down into year built featured here are 34098-34100 built 1948 under BR. These locos are all named after West Country locations
quite a few are unknown locations, so some help needed please

7 new photos by Marcus, plus a few needing locations please

not sure what has happened here
34100 Appledore stopped as 31822+34021 Dartmoor block the line at Tonbridge 23-8-1958
https://railway-photography.smugmug.com/SRSteam/Bulleid-Locomotives/Light-Pacific-Class/3409034100-Built-1949/3409834100/i-jMcWZZ9

34098 Templecombe Charing Cross
https://railway-photography.smugmug.com/SRSteam/Bulleid-Locomotives/Light-Pacific-Class/3409034100-Built-1949/3409834100/i-t99h6Hh
34098 Templecombe Chichester 6-6-1959
https://railway-photography.smugmug.com/SRSteam/Bulleid-Locomotives/Light-Pacific-Class/3409034100-Built-1949/3409834100/i-BWxd2R7
34099 Lynmouth unknown location/
https://railway-photography.smugmug.com/SRSteam/Bulleid-Locomotives/Light-Pacific-Class/3409034100-Built-1949/3409834100/i-v68B8cx
34100 Appledore Canon Street 19-2-1957 not sure if coming or going?
https://railway-photography.smugmug.com/SRSteam/Bulleid-Locomotives/Light-Pacific-Class/3409034100-Built-1949/3409834100/i-PzjDqfB
34100 Appledore down boat train unknown location? Ashford?
https://railway-photography.smugmug.com/SRSteam/Bulleid-Locomotives/Light-Pacific-Class/3409034100-Built-1949/3409834100/i-SkgMw6L
34100 Appledore up boat train passing Ashford Works
https://railway-photography.smugmug.com/SRSteam/Bulleid-Locomotives/Light-Pacific-Class/3409034100-Built-1949/3409834100/i-zPjpmSN

Neil

Christopher A. Lee

2016-01-28 22:50:18 UTC

Post by Neil
I have been given a large amount of 1950's Steam loco photos by Marcus Pettman,
The majority are of S.R. steam and this next large collection feature the Bulleid Pacifics
This next collection features the Light Pacifics
Broken down into year built featured here are 34098-34100 built 1948 under BR. These locos are all named after West Country locations
quite a few are unknown locations, so some help needed please
34100 Appledore Canon Street 19-2-1957 not sure if coming or going?
https://railway-photography.smugmug.com/SRSteam/Bulleid-Locomotives/Light-Pacific-Class/3409034100-Built-1949/3409834100/i-PzjDqfB

I suspect it was pulling ECS into the terminus, and would have pulled
a subsequent train out - it looks as if there is a full load of coal
in the tender.

This was common steam era practice.

Peter Lawrence

2016-01-29 18:32:32 UTC

Post by Neil
I have been given a large amount of 1950's Steam loco photos by Marcus Pettman,
The majority are of S.R. steam and this next large collection feature the Bulleid Pacifics
This next collection features the Light Pacifics
Broken down into year built featured here are 34098-34100 built 1948 under BR. These locos are all named after West Country locations
quite a few are unknown locations, so some help needed please
7 new photos by Marcus, plus a few needing locations please
34099 Lynmouth unknown location/
https://railway-photography.smugmug.com/SRSteam/Bulleid-Locomotives/Light-Pacific-Class/3409034100-Built-1949/3409834100/i-v68B8cx

Is that Worting Junction, bound for Southampton/Bournemouth?

Post by Neil
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2016-01-29 22:40:47 UTC

Post by Peter Lawrence

Post by Neil
I have been given a large amount of 1950's Steam loco photos by Marcus Pettman,
The majority are of S.R. steam and this next large collection feature the Bulleid Pacifics
This next collection features the Light Pacifics
Broken down into year built featured here are 34098-34100 built 1948 under BR. These locos are all named after West Country locations
quite a few are unknown locations, so some help needed please
7 new photos by Marcus, plus a few needing locations please
34099 Lynmouth unknown location/
https://railway-photography.smugmug.com/SRSteam/Bulleid-Locomotives/Light-Pacific-Class/3409034100-Built-1949/3409834100/i-v68B8cx

Is that Worting Junction, bound for Southampton/Bournemouth?

Post by Neil
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I would say it is - the headcode fits and if it is Worting Junction, it would be taking the diverging route from the fast line to the slow.

Neil

2016-01-29 22:23:44 UTC