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Jack Harry Teesdale
2025-02-07 09:37:30 UTC
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King’s Cross are to remove trains from departure board three minutes
before they leave.

More hassle for passengers?
Scott
2025-02-07 09:46:08 UTC
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On Fri, 7 Feb 2025 09:37:30 +0000, Jack Harry Teesdale
King’s Cross are to remove trains from departure board three minutes
before they leave.
More hassle for passengers?
There is already a thread for this. ('How patronising': rail bosses
face anger over plan to hide train departure times). See:
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2025/feb/06/how-patronising-rail-bosses-face-anger-over-plan-to-hide-train-departure-times
Jack Harry Teesdale
2025-02-07 09:48:34 UTC
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On Fri, 7 Feb 2025 09:37:30 +0000, Jack Harry Teesdale
Post by Jack Harry Teesdale
King’s Cross are to remove trains from departure board three minutes
before they leave.
More hassle for passengers?
There is already a thread for this. ('How patronising': rail bosses
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2025/feb/06/how-patronising-rail-bosses-face-anger-over-plan-to-hide-train-departure-times
I hadn't seen that thread.
Rolf Mantel
2025-02-07 09:52:56 UTC
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On Fri, 7 Feb 2025 09:37:30 +0000, Jack Harry Teesdale
Post by Jack Harry Teesdale
King’s Cross are to remove trains from departure board three minutes
before they leave.
More hassle for passengers?
There is already a thread for this. ('How patronising': rail bosses
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2025/feb/06/how-patronising-rail-bosses-face-anger-over-plan-to-hide-train-departure-times
to minimize duplication of threads, it would be extremely useful if
people linking newspaper articles here provide a meaningful one-sentence
summary ;-)
Scott
2025-02-07 10:19:34 UTC
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Post by Scott
On Fri, 7 Feb 2025 09:37:30 +0000, Jack Harry Teesdale
King’s Cross are to remove trains from departure board three minutes
before they leave.
More hassle for passengers?
There is already a thread for this. ('How patronising': rail bosses
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2025/feb/06/how-patronising-rail-bosses-face-anger-over-plan-to-hide-train-departure-times
to minimize duplication of threads, it would be extremely useful if
people linking newspaper articles here provide a meaningful one-sentence
summary ;-)
I agree but my aim was to avoid perpetuating a duplicate thread. The
meaningful one-sentence summary was: 'There is already a thread for
this' :-)
Jack Harry Teesdale
2025-02-09 17:26:05 UTC
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Post by Scott
On Fri, 7 Feb 2025 09:37:30 +0000, Jack Harry Teesdale
Post by Jack Harry Teesdale
King’s Cross are to remove trains from departure board three minutes
before they leave.
More hassle for passengers?
There is already a thread for this. ('How patronising': rail bosses
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2025/feb/06/how-patronising-rail-bosses-face-anger-over-plan-to-hide-train-departure-times
to minimize duplication of threads, it would be extremely useful if
people linking newspaper articles here provide a meaningful one-sentence
summary ;-)
I agree but my aim was to avoid perpetuating a duplicate thread. The
meaningful one-sentence summary was: 'There is already a thread for
this' :-)
The thread title you mention did not say anything about Kings Cross.
Scott
2025-02-09 20:05:16 UTC
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<noreply492000-***@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
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Post by Scott
I agree but my aim was to avoid perpetuating a duplicate thread. The
meaningful one-sentence summary was: 'There is already a thread for
this' :-)
The thread title you mention did not say anything about Kings Cross.
No, but the substance was the same and I thought it would be helpful
to all to nudge discussion into a single thread. I will not attempt
this form of social engineering again.
Theo
2025-02-07 11:36:46 UTC
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Post by Scott
On Fri, 7 Feb 2025 09:37:30 +0000, Jack Harry Teesdale
Post by Jack Harry Teesdale
King’s Cross are to remove trains from departure board three minutes
before they leave.
More hassle for passengers?
There is already a thread for this. ('How patronising': rail bosses
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2025/feb/06/how-patronising-rail-bosses-face-anger-over-plan-to-hide-train-departure-times
to minimize duplication of threads, it would be extremely useful if
people linking newspaper articles here provide a meaningful one-sentence
summary ;-)
+1. Particularly BBC news articles which don't have any descriptive text in
the URL. Often the headline isn't enough to know what it's about.

Theo
Scott
2025-02-07 12:52:39 UTC
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On 07 Feb 2025 11:36:46 +0000 (GMT), Theo
Post by Theo
Post by Rolf Mantel
Post by Scott
On Fri, 7 Feb 2025 09:37:30 +0000, Jack Harry Teesdale
King’s Cross are to remove trains from departure board three minutes
before they leave.
More hassle for passengers?
There is already a thread for this. ('How patronising': rail bosses
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2025/feb/06/how-patronising-rail-bosses-face-anger-over-plan-to-hide-train-departure-times
to minimize duplication of threads, it would be extremely useful if
people linking newspaper articles here provide a meaningful one-sentence
summary ;-)
+1. Particularly BBC news articles which don't have any descriptive text in
the URL. Often the headline isn't enough to know what it's about.
Which is worse netiquette - omitting the text or starting a new thread
on the same subject as a previous thread?
Rolf Mantel
2025-02-07 13:28:54 UTC
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On 07 Feb 2025 11:36:46 +0000 (GMT), Theo
Post by Theo
Post by Rolf Mantel
Post by Scott
On Fri, 7 Feb 2025 09:37:30 +0000, Jack Harry Teesdale
Post by Jack Harry Teesdale
King’s Cross are to remove trains from departure board three minutes
before they leave.
More hassle for passengers?
There is already a thread for this. ('How patronising': rail bosses
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2025/feb/06/how-patronising-rail-bosses-face-anger-over-plan-to-hide-train-departure-times
to minimize duplication of threads, it would be extremely useful if
people linking newspaper articles here provide a meaningful one-sentence
summary ;-)
+1. Particularly BBC news articles which don't have any descriptive text in
the URL. Often the headline isn't enough to know what it's about.
Which is worse netiquette - omitting the text or starting a new thread
on the same subject as a previous thread?
Let's phrase it this way: unintentially starting a new thread on the
same subject as a previous thread cannot be bad netiquette because
netiquette desribes intentional behaviour. Starting a new thread on the
same subject only becomes bad netiquette if I am able to notice that
this is the same subject.

So omitting the descriptive text is at the same time bad netiquette on
its own and provokes thread splitting.
Scott
2025-02-07 13:48:01 UTC
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Post by Scott
On 07 Feb 2025 11:36:46 +0000 (GMT), Theo
Post by Theo
Post by Rolf Mantel
Post by Scott
On Fri, 7 Feb 2025 09:37:30 +0000, Jack Harry Teesdale
King’s Cross are to remove trains from departure board three minutes
before they leave.
More hassle for passengers?
There is already a thread for this. ('How patronising': rail bosses
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2025/feb/06/how-patronising-rail-bosses-face-anger-over-plan-to-hide-train-departure-times
to minimize duplication of threads, it would be extremely useful if
people linking newspaper articles here provide a meaningful one-sentence
summary ;-)
+1. Particularly BBC news articles which don't have any descriptive text in
the URL. Often the headline isn't enough to know what it's about.
Which is worse netiquette - omitting the text or starting a new thread
on the same subject as a previous thread?
Let's phrase it this way: unintentially starting a new thread on the
same subject as a previous thread cannot be bad netiquette because
netiquette desribes intentional behaviour. Starting a new thread on the
same subject only becomes bad netiquette if I am able to notice that
this is the same subject.
So omitting the descriptive text is at the same time bad netiquette on
its own and provokes thread splitting.
So what is the correct netiquette then when there are two threads?
Place an identical reply in both? I was trying without apparent
success to reroute the discussion to a single thread.
JMB99
2025-02-09 14:30:49 UTC
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+1. Particularly BBC news articles which don't have any descriptive text in
the URL. Often the headline isn't enough to know what it's about.
If I post a link to the BBC site anywhere, I usually quote the exact
text of their headline to reduce the possibility of duplicates..

I rarely post links to tabloids.
Coffee
2025-02-10 08:41:37 UTC
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+1.  Particularly BBC news articles which don't have any descriptive
text in
the URL.  Often the headline isn't enough to know what it's about.
If I post a link to the BBC site anywhere, I usually quote the exact
text of their headline to reduce the possibility of duplicates..
I rarely post links to tabloids.
I try to make the subject explicit but I don't copy any of the text of
the article for copyright reasons.
Ulf_Kutzner
2025-02-10 09:35:30 UTC
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Post by JMB99
+1.  Particularly BBC news articles which don't have any descriptive
text in
the URL.  Often the headline isn't enough to know what it's about.
If I post a link to the BBC site anywhere, I usually quote the exact
text of their headline to reduce the possibility of duplicates..
I rarely post links to tabloids.
I try to make the subject explicit but I don't copy any of the text of
the article for copyright reasons.
Do BBC object to short citations?
M***@PillowHQ.org
2025-02-10 09:47:58 UTC
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Post by Ulf_Kutzner
Post by Coffee
Post by JMB99
+1.  Particularly BBC news articles which don't have any descriptive
text in
the URL.  Often the headline isn't enough to know what it's about.
If I post a link to the BBC site anywhere, I usually quote the exact
text of their headline to reduce the possibility of duplicates..
I rarely post links to tabloids.
I try to make the subject explicit but I don't copy any of the text of
the article for copyright reasons.
Do BBC object to short citations?
Even if they did, the chance of them (or anyone else) from monitoring usenet
for violations is almost certainly zero and given Google don't index usenet
any longer they wouldn't come up on a search either. He's just being paranoid.
Graeme Wall
2025-02-10 09:51:26 UTC
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On Mon, 10 Feb 2025 09:35:30 +0000
Post by Ulf_Kutzner
Post by Coffee
Post by JMB99
+1.  Particularly BBC news articles which don't have any descriptive
text in
the URL.  Often the headline isn't enough to know what it's about.
If I post a link to the BBC site anywhere, I usually quote the exact
text of their headline to reduce the possibility of duplicates..
I rarely post links to tabloids.
I try to make the subject explicit but I don't copy any of the text of
the article for copyright reasons.
Do BBC object to short citations?
Even if they did, the chance of them (or anyone else) from monitoring usenet
for violations is almost certainly zero and given Google don't index usenet
any longer they wouldn't come up on a search either. He's just being paranoid.
Says the man who won't use Alexa because people are listening in.
--
Graeme Wall
This account not read.
M***@PillowHQ.org
2025-02-10 10:03:51 UTC
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Post by M***@PillowHQ.org
Post by M***@PillowHQ.org
On Mon, 10 Feb 2025 09:35:30 +0000
Post by Ulf_Kutzner
Post by Coffee
Post by JMB99
+1.  Particularly BBC news articles which don't have any descriptive
text in
the URL.  Often the headline isn't enough to know what it's about.
If I post a link to the BBC site anywhere, I usually quote the exact
text of their headline to reduce the possibility of duplicates..
I rarely post links to tabloids.
I try to make the subject explicit but I don't copy any of the text of
the article for copyright reasons.
Do BBC object to short citations?
Even if they did, the chance of them (or anyone else) from monitoring usenet
for violations is almost certainly zero and given Google don't index usenet
any longer they wouldn't come up on a search either. He's just being
paranoid.
Says the man who won't use Alexa because people are listening in.
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/may/24/amazon-alexa-recorded-convers
ation
https://time.com/5568815/amazon-workers-listen-to-alexa/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2019/05/06/alexa-has-been-eavesdroppin
g-you-this-whole-time/
https://www.nytimes.com/wirecutter/blog/amazons-alexa-never-stops-listening-to-y
ou/
https://yro.slashdot.org/story/21/10/22/2038203/amazons-alexa-collects-more-of-y
our-data-than-any-other-smart-assistant
https://www.theregister.com/2018/05/24/alexa_recording_couple/

HTH.
Graeme Wall
2025-02-10 11:38:25 UTC
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Post by M***@PillowHQ.org
Post by M***@PillowHQ.org
On Mon, 10 Feb 2025 09:35:30 +0000
Post by Ulf_Kutzner
Post by Coffee
Post by JMB99
+1.  Particularly BBC news articles which don't have any descriptive
text in
the URL.  Often the headline isn't enough to know what it's about.
If I post a link to the BBC site anywhere, I usually quote the exact
text of their headline to reduce the possibility of duplicates..
I rarely post links to tabloids.
I try to make the subject explicit but I don't copy any of the text of
the article for copyright reasons.
Do BBC object to short citations?
Even if they did, the chance of them (or anyone else) from monitoring usenet
for violations is almost certainly zero and given Google don't index usenet
any longer they wouldn't come up on a search either. He's just being
paranoid.
Says the man who won't use Alexa because people are listening in.
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/may/24/amazon-alexa-recorded-convers
ation
https://time.com/5568815/amazon-workers-listen-to-alexa/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2019/05/06/alexa-has-been-eavesdroppin
g-you-this-whole-time/
https://www.nytimes.com/wirecutter/blog/amazons-alexa-never-stops-listening-to-y
ou/
https://yro.slashdot.org/story/21/10/22/2038203/amazons-alexa-collects-more-of-y
our-data-than-any-other-smart-assistant
https://www.theregister.com/2018/05/24/alexa_recording_couple/
HTH.
Just because you are paranoid doesn't mean they are not out to get you!
--
Graeme Wall
This account not read.
M***@PillowHQ.org
2025-02-10 12:02:03 UTC
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Post by M***@PillowHQ.org
Post by Graeme Wall
Says the man who won't use Alexa because people are listening in.
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/may/24/amazon-alexa-recorded-conver
s
Post by M***@PillowHQ.org
ation
https://time.com/5568815/amazon-workers-listen-to-alexa/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2019/05/06/alexa-has-been-eavesdroppi
n
Post by M***@PillowHQ.org
g-you-this-whole-time/
https://www.nytimes.com/wirecutter/blog/amazons-alexa-never-stops-listening-to-
y
Post by M***@PillowHQ.org
ou/
https://yro.slashdot.org/story/21/10/22/2038203/amazons-alexa-collects-more-of-
y
Post by M***@PillowHQ.org
our-data-than-any-other-smart-assistant
https://www.theregister.com/2018/05/24/alexa_recording_couple/
HTH.
Just because you are paranoid doesn't mean they are not out to get you!
Quite. And I imagine all the other voice controlled "smart" gadgets no matter
who makes them can be abused the same way back at HQ.

No sane person would willingly allow a program that activily streamed their
desktop to a remote server on their computer, simply on the off chance they
might type a trigger word, yet thats exactly what happens with voice.
Recliner
2025-02-10 12:16:16 UTC
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Post by M***@PillowHQ.org
Post by Graeme Wall
Says the man who won't use Alexa because people are listening in.
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/may/24/amazon-alexa-recorded-conver
s
Post by M***@PillowHQ.org
ation
https://time.com/5568815/amazon-workers-listen-to-alexa/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2019/05/06/alexa-has-been-eavesdroppi
n
Post by M***@PillowHQ.org
g-you-this-whole-time/
https://www.nytimes.com/wirecutter/blog/amazons-alexa-never-stops-listening-to-
y
Post by M***@PillowHQ.org
ou/
https://yro.slashdot.org/story/21/10/22/2038203/amazons-alexa-collects-more-of-
y
Post by M***@PillowHQ.org
our-data-than-any-other-smart-assistant
https://www.theregister.com/2018/05/24/alexa_recording_couple/
HTH.
Just because you are paranoid doesn't mean they are not out to get you!
Quite. And I imagine all the other voice controlled "smart" gadgets no matter
who makes them can be abused the same way back at HQ.
No sane person would willingly allow a program that activily streamed their
desktop to a remote server on their computer, simply on the off chance they
might type a trigger word, yet thats exactly what happens with voice.
You’re simply theorising. Why don’t you ask someone who actually has smart
speakers?
M***@PillowHQ.org
2025-02-10 15:07:45 UTC
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Post by M***@PillowHQ.org
Quite. And I imagine all the other voice controlled "smart" gadgets no
matter
Post by M***@PillowHQ.org
who makes them can be abused the same way back at HQ.
No sane person would willingly allow a program that activily streamed their
desktop to a remote server on their computer, simply on the off chance they
might type a trigger word, yet thats exactly what happens with voice.
You’re simply theorising. Why don’t you ask someone who actually has smart
speakers?
Why would owning one give you any insight as to what data is being phoned
home short of using a network analyser?

And then of course it can remain on for as long as it wants listening after
its been triggered. But you don't have anything to worry about wrt to private
conversations as you don't any since you live all on your lonesome plus you're
usually off adding to your carbon bootprint at 30K feet anyway.
Clank
2025-02-10 12:40:41 UTC
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Post by M***@PillowHQ.org
Post by Graeme Wall
Says the man who won't use Alexa because people are listening in.
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/may/24/amazon-alexa-
recorded-conver
Post by M***@PillowHQ.org
s
ation https://time.com/5568815/amazon-workers-listen-to-alexa/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2019/05/06/alexa-has-been-
eavesdroppi
Post by M***@PillowHQ.org
n
g-you-this-whole-time/
https://www.nytimes.com/wirecutter/blog/amazons-alexa-never-stops-
listening-to-
Post by M***@PillowHQ.org
y
ou/
https://yro.slashdot.org/story/21/10/22/2038203/amazons-alexa-collects-
more-of-
Post by M***@PillowHQ.org
y
our-data-than-any-other-smart-assistant
https://www.theregister.com/2018/05/24/alexa_recording_couple/
HTH.
Just because you are paranoid doesn't mean they are not out to get you!
Quite. And I imagine all the other voice controlled "smart" gadgets no
matter who makes them can be abused the same way back at HQ.
No sane person would willingly allow a program that activily streamed
their desktop to a remote server on their computer, simply on the off
chance they might type a trigger word, yet thats exactly what happens
with voice.
No, it's not. The trigger word is detected locally, and the only thing
that's streamed is whatever is said immediately after it. That's *why*
there is a trigger word.
M***@PillowHQ.org
2025-02-10 15:09:41 UTC
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On Mon, 10 Feb 2025 11:38:25 +0000 Graeme Wall
Post by M***@PillowHQ.org
Post by Graeme Wall
Says the man who won't use Alexa because people are listening in.
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/may/24/amazon-alexa-
recorded-conver
Post by M***@PillowHQ.org
s
ation https://time.com/5568815/amazon-workers-listen-to-alexa/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2019/05/06/alexa-has-been-
eavesdroppi
Post by M***@PillowHQ.org
n
g-you-this-whole-time/
https://www.nytimes.com/wirecutter/blog/amazons-alexa-never-stops-
listening-to-
Post by M***@PillowHQ.org
y
ou/
https://yro.slashdot.org/story/21/10/22/2038203/amazons-alexa-collects-
more-of-
Post by M***@PillowHQ.org
y
our-data-than-any-other-smart-assistant
https://www.theregister.com/2018/05/24/alexa_recording_couple/
HTH.
Just because you are paranoid doesn't mean they are not out to get you!
Quite. And I imagine all the other voice controlled "smart" gadgets no
matter who makes them can be abused the same way back at HQ.
No sane person would willingly allow a program that activily streamed
their desktop to a remote server on their computer, simply on the off
chance they might type a trigger word, yet thats exactly what happens
with voice.
No, it's not. The trigger word is detected locally, and the only thing
that's streamed is whatever is said immediately after it. That's *why*
there is a trigger word.
Feel free to believe that if you like. Amazon have already lied about what
happens to the data and whether its stored so I've no reason to believe anything
else they say. Short of analysiing network traffic there's no way to know.
Clank
2025-02-10 16:01:14 UTC
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On Mon, 10 Feb 2025 11:38:25 +0000 Graeme Wall
Post by M***@PillowHQ.org
Post by Graeme Wall
Says the man who won't use Alexa because people are listening in.
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/may/24/amazon-alexa-
recorded-conver
Post by M***@PillowHQ.org
s
ation https://time.com/5568815/amazon-workers-listen-to-alexa/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2019/05/06/alexa-has-been-
eavesdroppi
Post by M***@PillowHQ.org
n
g-you-this-whole-time/
https://www.nytimes.com/wirecutter/blog/amazons-alexa-never-stops-
listening-to-
Post by M***@PillowHQ.org
y
ou/
https://yro.slashdot.org/story/21/10/22/2038203/amazons-alexa-
collects-
Post by M***@PillowHQ.org
Post by M***@PillowHQ.org
more-of-
Post by M***@PillowHQ.org
y
our-data-than-any-other-smart-assistant
https://www.theregister.com/2018/05/24/alexa_recording_couple/
HTH.
Just because you are paranoid doesn't mean they are not out to get you!
Quite. And I imagine all the other voice controlled "smart" gadgets no
matter who makes them can be abused the same way back at HQ.
No sane person would willingly allow a program that activily streamed
their desktop to a remote server on their computer, simply on the off
chance they might type a trigger word, yet thats exactly what happens
with voice.
No, it's not. The trigger word is detected locally, and the only thing
that's streamed is whatever is said immediately after it. That's *why*
there is a trigger word.
Feel free to believe that if you like. Amazon have already lied about
what happens to the data and whether its stored so I've no reason to
believe anything else they say. Short of analysiing network traffic
there's no way to know.
That's an analysis that's absolutely trivial to do - I've just checked my
edge router and yep, absolutely no way at all my Alexa devices are
streaming anything anywhere right now - and given at least some of the
tinfoil hat brigade are technically competent enough to manage it, I'm
fairly confident that if Amazon were lying about that we'd have heard
about it by now.

If you really think They are spying on you, you should probably assume
that They will find a way to do so that a 10 year old with a basic command
of computers would not be able to detect.
Coffee
2025-02-10 09:52:02 UTC
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+1.  Particularly BBC news articles which don't have any descriptive
text in
the URL.  Often the headline isn't enough to know what it's about.
If I post a link to the BBC site anywhere, I usually quote the exact
text of their headline to reduce the possibility of duplicates..
I rarely post links to tabloids.
I try to make the subject explicit but I don't copy any of the text of
the article for copyright reasons.
Do BBC object to short citations?
I don't know the BBC's policy but I also provide links of uk.railway
interests from elsewhere.

My understand of the UK laws is that one shouldn't cut and paster the
body. I often modify the headlines to make them more specific.

I don't think I modified the King's Cross headline as I regarded the
article as more generic than just one station. If Network Rail regards
this as a "success" I fear this will be rolled out nationwide.

If that happens I suspect I will make compensation claims with
"insufficient time for connection" as the reason for claim. If this is
rolled out elsewhere the connection time at stations will have to be
increased to compensate which will lengthen journey times and waiting time.
JMB99
2025-02-10 13:02:05 UTC
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Do BBC object to short citations?
The BBC seem quite relaxed about being quoted provided 'fair use'.
JMB99
2025-02-10 13:08:13 UTC
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I try to make the subject explicit but I don't copy any of the text of
the article for copyright reasons.
I think sites are more sensitive about images being used.

I sometimes quote the BNA but I will edit the transcription so they
usually benefit from a more accurate transcription though their site is
very poor at editing the transcription and often fail to add it or
corrupt it.
Theo
2025-02-10 11:51:44 UTC
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Post by Theo
+1. Particularly BBC news articles which don't have any descriptive text in
the URL. Often the headline isn't enough to know what it's about.
If I post a link to the BBC site anywhere, I usually quote the exact
text of their headline to reduce the possibility of duplicates..
I rarely post links to tabloids.
The usual problem is there's not enough context to know what they're on
about. eg a headline like "New images show scale of storm impact on
forests" could be about anywhere in the world. When you view it on the
website there's often a tagline underneath like 'BBC Tayside' which gives
context, but absent that there's no clues to which storm and what forests.

It's usually clarified in the first paragraph, which is enough context to
locate the story.

Theo
JMB99
2025-02-10 12:59:11 UTC
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The usual problem is there's not enough context to know what they're on
about. eg a headline like "New images show scale of storm impact on
forests" could be about anywhere in the world. When you view it on the
website there's often a tagline underneath like 'BBC Tayside' which gives
context, but absent that there's no clues to which storm and what forests.
Most people have reasonably fast broadband connections, only takes a
couple of seconds to open the page and decide whether worth reading.
Roland Perry
2025-02-10 17:24:18 UTC
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Post by Theo
The usual problem is there's not enough context to know what they're on
about. eg a headline like "New images show scale of storm impact on
forests" could be about anywhere in the world. When you view it on the
website there's often a tagline underneath like 'BBC Tayside' which gives
context, but absent that there's no clues to which storm and what forests.
Most people have reasonably fast broadband connections, only takes a
couple of seconds to open the page and decide whether worth reading.
However a lot of people reading uk.r might be on a train, with very
dodgy connectivity.
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Mark Goodge
2025-02-07 20:29:21 UTC
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Post by Scott
On Fri, 7 Feb 2025 09:37:30 +0000, Jack Harry Teesdale
King’s Cross are to remove trains from departure board three minutes
before they leave.
More hassle for passengers?
There is already a thread for this. ('How patronising': rail bosses
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2025/feb/06/how-patronising-rail-bosses-face-anger-over-plan-to-hide-train-departure-times
to minimize duplication of threads, it would be extremely useful if
people linking newspaper articles here provide a meaningful one-sentence
summary ;-)
And used a meaningful thread title.

Mark
Sam Wilson
2025-02-10 22:22:58 UTC
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Post by Rolf Mantel
Post by Scott
On Fri, 7 Feb 2025 09:37:30 +0000, Jack Harry Teesdale
King’s Cross are to remove trains from departure board three minutes
before they leave.
More hassle for passengers?
There is already a thread for this. ('How patronising': rail bosses
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2025/feb/06/how-patronising-rail-bosses-face-anger-over-plan-to-hide-train-departure-times
to minimize duplication of threads, it would be extremely useful if
people linking newspaper articles here provide a meaningful one-sentence
summary ;-)
And used a meaningful thread title.
Having come across the news article in other places I knew immediately from
the titles what both threads would be about, namely the same thing.

Sam
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Jack Harry Teesdale
2025-02-09 17:29:43 UTC
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Post by Scott
On Fri, 7 Feb 2025 09:37:30 +0000, Jack Harry Teesdale
Post by Jack Harry Teesdale
King’s Cross are to remove trains from departure board three minutes
before they leave.
More hassle for passengers?
There is already a thread for this. ('How patronising': rail bosses
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2025/feb/06/how-patronising-rail-
bosses-face-anger-over-plan-to-hide-train-departure-times
to minimize duplication of threads, it would be extremely useful if
people linking newspaper articles here provide a meaningful one-sentence
summary ;-)
I did not provide any such link.

The body of my post described what I found out.
Rolf Mantel
2025-02-10 09:10:45 UTC
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Post by Scott
On Fri, 7 Feb 2025 09:37:30 +0000, Jack Harry Teesdale
Post by Jack Harry Teesdale
King’s Cross are to remove trains from departure board three minutes
before they leave.
More hassle for passengers?
There is already a thread for this. ('How patronising': rail bosses
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2025/feb/06/how-patronising-
rail- bosses-face-anger-over-plan-to-hide-train-departure-times
to minimize duplication of threads, it would be extremely useful if
people linking newspaper articles here provide a meaningful one-
sentence summary ;-)
I did not provide any such link.
The body of my post described what I found out.
Agreed. The challenge we discuss is how it would have been best for you
to notice that somebody else posted a link to that Guardian article.
ColinR
2025-02-07 14:25:05 UTC
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On Fri, 7 Feb 2025 09:37:30 +0000, Jack Harry Teesdale
Post by Jack Harry Teesdale
King’s Cross are to remove trains from departure board three minutes
before they leave.
More hassle for passengers?
There is already a thread for this. ('How patronising': rail bosses
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2025/feb/06/how-patronising-rail-bosses-face-anger-over-plan-to-hide-train-departure-times
Whilst true, this post was only some 12 hours after the other post -
Harry may well have not noticed the other thread with a very different
title!
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Colin
Scott
2025-02-07 14:56:41 UTC
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Post by ColinR
Post by Scott
On Fri, 7 Feb 2025 09:37:30 +0000, Jack Harry Teesdale
King’s Cross are to remove trains from departure board three minutes
before they leave.
More hassle for passengers?
There is already a thread for this. ('How patronising': rail bosses
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2025/feb/06/how-patronising-rail-bosses-face-anger-over-plan-to-hide-train-departure-times
Whilst true, this post was only some 12 hours after the other post -
Harry may well have not noticed the other thread with a very different
title!
I wasn't intending to criticise, simply to guide members to a single
group before it was too late.
Jack Harry Teesdale
2025-02-11 15:09:12 UTC
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On Fri, 7 Feb 2025 14:25:05 +0000, ColinR
Post by ColinR
Post by Scott
On Fri, 7 Feb 2025 09:37:30 +0000, Jack Harry Teesdale
Post by Jack Harry Teesdale
King’s Cross are to remove trains from departure board three minutes
before they leave.
More hassle for passengers?
There is already a thread for this. ('How patronising': rail bosses
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2025/feb/06/how-patronising-rail-bosses-face-anger-over-plan-to-hide-train-departure-times
Whilst true, this post was only some 12 hours after the other post -
Harry may well have not noticed the other thread with a very different
title!
I wasn't intending to criticise, simply to guide members to a single
group before it was too late.
Just to note there have been twice as many replies to this thread than
the other one!
Scott
2025-02-11 17:33:48 UTC
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Post by Jack Harry Teesdale
Post by Scott
On Fri, 7 Feb 2025 14:25:05 +0000, ColinR
Post by ColinR
Post by Scott
On Fri, 7 Feb 2025 09:37:30 +0000, Jack Harry Teesdale
King’s Cross are to remove trains from departure board three minutes
before they leave.
More hassle for passengers?
There is already a thread for this. ('How patronising': rail bosses
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2025/feb/06/how-patronising-rail-bosses-face-anger-over-plan-to-hide-train-departure-times
Whilst true, this post was only some 12 hours after the other post -
Harry may well have not noticed the other thread with a very different
title!
I wasn't intending to criticise, simply to guide members to a single
group before it was too late.
Just to note there have been twice as many replies to this thread than
the other one!
Splendid!
Recliner
2025-02-11 17:43:19 UTC
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Does anyone know if the online version is a true, up-to-date version of the
physical boards in the station?

https://www.nationalrail.co.uk/live-trains/departures/london-kings-cross/

If so, we can test it out. I’m only seeing the platform number disappear
about a minute before departure.
Roland Perry
2025-02-12 07:41:20 UTC
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Does anyone know if the online version is a true, up-to-date version of the
physical boards in the station?
https://www.nationalrail.co.uk/live-trains/departures/london-kings-cross/
If so, we can test it out. I’m only seeing the platform number disappear
about a minute before departure.
It's a completely different type of display.

Anyway, at 07:31 the online system had removed the platform number of
the 07:30, despite it running somewhat late (departed 07:33.25), and the
07:33's platform number had been removed as well (departed 07:35.5)

Next is the 07:39, hold on tight... platform number removed at 07:38

We'd need some boots on the ground to see if the station's board removes
the platform numbers ahead of the timetabled departure, or the *actual*
departure.
--
Roland Perry
Certes
2025-02-12 10:21:27 UTC
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Does anyone know if the online version is a true, up-to-date version of the
physical boards in the station?
https://www.nationalrail.co.uk/live-trains/departures/london-kings-cross/
If so, we can test it out. I’m only seeing the platform number disappear
about a minute before departure.
It's a completely different type of display.
Anyway, at 07:31 the online system had removed the platform number of
the 07:30, despite it running somewhat late (departed 07:33.25), and the
07:33's platform number had been removed as well (departed 07:35.5)
Next is the 07:39, hold on tight... platform number removed at 07:38
We'd need some boots on the ground to see if the station's board removes
the platform numbers ahead of the timetabled departure, or the *actual*
departure.
... or possibly the expected departure, which might be some time between
the two (e.g. 0730 known to be 5 late but didn't leave until 0740)
Roland Perry
2025-02-13 09:07:50 UTC
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Does anyone know if the online version is a true, up-to-date version of the
physical boards in the station?
https://www.nationalrail.co.uk/live-trains/departures/london-kings-cross/
If so, we can test it out. I’m only seeing the platform number disappear
about a minute before departure.
It's a completely different type of display.
Anyway, at 07:31 the online system had removed the platform number
of the 07:30, despite it running somewhat late (departed 07:33.25),
and the 07:33's platform number had been removed as well (departed
07:35.5)
Next is the 07:39, hold on tight... platform number removed at 07:38
We'd need some boots on the ground to see if the station's board
removes the platform numbers ahead of the timetabled departure, or
the *actual* departure.
... or possibly the expected departure, which might be some time between
the two (e.g. 0730 known to be 5 late but didn't leave until 0740)
It could depend a bit on what's causing the delay, and therefore how
reliable the 'expected' departure time is.

If it's because they are faffing about loading a wheelchair passenger,
then it's more open-ended than being able to see from their data that
the outbound train has a route conflicting with a late-arriving inbound
train, and can't possibly depart until that's cleared the points.

Yesterday, both the 07:311 and 07:33 were known to the Nationalrail site
to be departing at least 2 minutes late, but it looked like they still
removed the platform number based on the scheduled departure time.

At the time of writing, all the trains say "on time", so we'd have to
wait until there's some delays to repeat the exercise.

[In other news, at Victoria the 09:03 to Gravesend is currently - 09:07
- expected to depart from Platform 8 at 09:09; but seeing when the
'Platform 8' disappears won't tell us anything about the Kings Cross
experiment]
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Roland Perry
Recliner
2025-02-12 10:56:29 UTC
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Does anyone know if the online version is a true, up-to-date version of the
physical boards in the station?
https://www.nationalrail.co.uk/live-trains/departures/london-kings-cross/
If so, we can test it out. I’m only seeing the platform number disappear
about a minute before departure.
It's a completely different type of display.
Anyway, at 07:31 the online system had removed the platform number of
the 07:30, despite it running somewhat late (departed 07:33.25), and the
07:33's platform number had been removed as well (departed 07:35.5)
Next is the 07:39, hold on tight... platform number removed at 07:38
We'd need some boots on the ground to see if the station's board removes
the platform numbers ahead of the timetabled departure, or the *actual*
departure.
Yes, that’s why I asked if anyone knew if it was an accurate, up-to-date
reflection of the physical boards. Reading their announcement and
explanation, the change actually only seems to affect long distance
services (probably meaning LNER), and the main change is that the last
announcement on the PA system will be *four* minutes before departure. We
can’t test that with the online display.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/02/12/plan-to-ease-the-train-rush-crush-and-why-it-doesnt-work/
Roland Perry
2025-02-13 09:11:08 UTC
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Post by Recliner
Does anyone know if the online version is a true, up-to-date version of the
physical boards in the station?
https://www.nationalrail.co.uk/live-trains/departures/london-kings-cross/
If so, we can test it out. I’m only seeing the platform number disappear
about a minute before departure.
It's a completely different type of display.
Anyway, at 07:31 the online system had removed the platform number of
the 07:30, despite it running somewhat late (departed 07:33.25), and the
07:33's platform number had been removed as well (departed 07:35.5)
Next is the 07:39, hold on tight... platform number removed at 07:38
We'd need some boots on the ground to see if the station's board removes
the platform numbers ahead of the timetabled departure, or the *actual*
departure.
Yes, that’s why I asked if anyone knew if it was an accurate, up-to-date
reflection of the physical boards.
In a sense it can't ever be, because the station boards are a
*completely* different format.

So what you should be asking is whether the platform number disappears
at the same moment in time. Is the 3-minute trial even live yet (genuine
question).
Post by Recliner
Reading their announcement and
explanation, the change actually only seems to affect long distance
services (probably meaning LNER), and the main change is that the last
announcement on the PA system will be *four* minutes before departure. We
can’t test that with the online display.
We can check that with boots on the ground, which we need anyway, to
compare the departure boards.
Post by Recliner
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/02/12/plan-to-ease-the-train-rush-
crush-and-why-it-doesnt-work/
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Recliner
2025-02-13 12:00:36 UTC
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Does anyone know if the online version is a true, up-to-date version of the
physical boards in the station?
https://www.nationalrail.co.uk/live-trains/departures/london-kings-cross/
If so, we can test it out. I’m only seeing the platform number disappear
about a minute before departure.
It's a completely different type of display.
Anyway, at 07:31 the online system had removed the platform number of
the 07:30, despite it running somewhat late (departed 07:33.25), and the
07:33's platform number had been removed as well (departed 07:35.5)
Next is the 07:39, hold on tight... platform number removed at 07:38
We'd need some boots on the ground to see if the station's board removes
the platform numbers ahead of the timetabled departure, or the *actual*
departure.
Yes, that’s why I asked if anyone knew if it was an accurate, up-to-date
reflection of the physical boards.
In a sense it can't ever be, because the station boards are a
*completely* different format.
It’s possible to present exactly the same data, in real time, in different
formats. I *think* that’s what’s happening here, but someone needs to check
at the station itself. The main change is supposed to be to the PA
announcements, which will cease 4 minutes before departure. That obviously
has to be verified locally (unless there’s a live webcam with sound?.
Post by Roland Perry
So what you should be asking is whether the platform number disappears
at the same moment in time. Is the 3-minute trial even live yet (genuine
question).
Yes, I think so.
Recliner
2025-03-07 13:33:24 UTC
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Does anyone know if the online version is a true, up-to-date version of the
physical boards in the station?
https://www.nationalrail.co.uk/live-trains/departures/london-kings-cross/
If so, we can test it out. I’m only seeing the platform number disappear
about a minute before departure.
It's a completely different type of display.
Anyway, at 07:31 the online system had removed the platform number of
the 07:30, despite it running somewhat late (departed 07:33.25), and the
07:33's platform number had been removed as well (departed 07:35.5)
Next is the 07:39, hold on tight... platform number removed at 07:38
We'd need some boots on the ground to see if the station's board removes
the platform numbers ahead of the timetabled departure, or the *actual*
departure.
Yes, that’s why I asked if anyone knew if it was an accurate, up-to-date
reflection of the physical boards.
In a sense it can't ever be, because the station boards are a
*completely* different format.
So what you should be asking is whether the platform number disappears
at the same moment in time. Is the 3-minute trial even live yet (genuine
question).
Post by Recliner
Reading their announcement and
explanation, the change actually only seems to affect long distance
services (probably meaning LNER), and the main change is that the last
announcement on the PA system will be *four* minutes before departure. We
can’t test that with the online display.
We can check that with boots on the ground, which we need anyway, to
compare the departure boards.
Well, I checked it out yesterday, and the findings were much as we expected:

1. The three minute blackout period only applies to long-distance trains (ie, all but GN). The GN trains still follow
the one minute blackout rule.

2. The last PA announcement commences one minute earlier than the blackout point (ie, four minutes before departure)

3. The app and the display boards are in synchrony, as I expected, but the display behaviour is slightly different. With
the app/web display, a train continues to be shown when it gets into the 1 or 3 minute blackout period, but the platform
number gets blanked out. But, in the station, those trains get scrolled off the display altogether. The actions take
place about five seconds after the trigger point (ie, long distance trains get scrolled off about 2:55 before
departure).

This image illustrates what you see:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/recliner/54371140495/in/dateposted-friend/lightbox/

It's a screenshot from the app superimposed on a photo taken on the same phone, so the clock time is accurate and
synchronised. The station photo was taken about a minute before the screenshot, yet the (later) screenshot still shows
one train that's just departed, and another that's less than three minutes before departure. The Highland Chieftain was
shown in the station board photo at 11:56:33, but scrolled off just after 11:57. It remained visible in the app, but
with the platform number removed.

4. There weren't any delays when I was there, but checking on the app, it looks like it's the actual expected departure
time, not the scheduled time that triggers the blackout period.
Roland Perry
2025-03-09 06:13:42 UTC
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Does anyone know if the online version is a true, up-to-date version of the
physical boards in the station?
https://www.nationalrail.co.uk/live-trains/departures/london-kings-cross/
If so, we can test it out. I’m only seeing the platform number disappear
about a minute before departure.
It's a completely different type of display.
Anyway, at 07:31 the online system had removed the platform number of
the 07:30, despite it running somewhat late (departed 07:33.25), and the
07:33's platform number had been removed as well (departed 07:35.5)
Next is the 07:39, hold on tight... platform number removed at 07:38
We'd need some boots on the ground to see if the station's board removes
the platform numbers ahead of the timetabled departure, or the *actual*
departure.
Yes, that’s why I asked if anyone knew if it was an accurate, up-to-date
reflection of the physical boards.
In a sense it can't ever be, because the station boards are a
*completely* different format.
So what you should be asking is whether the platform number disappears
at the same moment in time. Is the 3-minute trial even live yet (genuine
question).
Post by Recliner
Reading their announcement and
explanation, the change actually only seems to affect long distance
services (probably meaning LNER), and the main change is that the last
announcement on the PA system will be *four* minutes before departure. We
can’t test that with the online display.
We can check that with boots on the ground, which we need anyway, to
compare the departure boards.
1. The three minute blackout period only applies to long-distance
trains (ie, all but GN). The GN trains still follow
the one minute blackout rule.
2. The last PA announcement commences one minute earlier than the
blackout point (ie, four minutes before departure)
3. The app and the display boards are in synchrony, as I expected, but
the display behaviour is slightly different. With
the app/web display, a train continues to be shown when it gets into
the 1 or 3 minute blackout period, but the platform
number gets blanked out. But, in the station, those trains get scrolled
off the display altogether. The actions take
place about five seconds after the trigger point (ie, long distance
trains get scrolled off about 2:55 before
departure).
https://www.flickr.com/photos/recliner/54371140495/in/dateposted-friend/
lightbox/
It's a screenshot from the app superimposed on a photo taken on the
same phone, so the clock time is accurate and
synchronised. The station photo was taken about a minute before the
screenshot, yet the (later) screenshot still shows
one train that's just departed, and another that's less than three
minutes before departure. The Highland Chieftain was
shown in the station board photo at 11:56:33, but scrolled off just
after 11:57. It remained visible in the app, but
with the platform number removed.
4. There weren't any delays when I was there, but checking on the app,
it looks like it's the actual expected departure
time, not the scheduled time that triggers the blackout period.
Thanks for the comprehensive report. We await whether Network Rail (in
true United Nations style) declares the experiment a Success, or a Great
Success [failure isn't in the vocabulary].
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Recliner
2025-03-09 12:20:00 UTC
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Does anyone know if the online version is a true, up-to-date version of the
physical boards in the station?
https://www.nationalrail.co.uk/live-trains/departures/london-kings-cross/
If so, we can test it out. I’m only seeing the platform number disappear
about a minute before departure.
It's a completely different type of display.
Anyway, at 07:31 the online system had removed the platform number of
the 07:30, despite it running somewhat late (departed 07:33.25), and the
07:33's platform number had been removed as well (departed 07:35.5)
Next is the 07:39, hold on tight... platform number removed at 07:38
We'd need some boots on the ground to see if the station's board removes
the platform numbers ahead of the timetabled departure, or the *actual*
departure.
Yes, that’s why I asked if anyone knew if it was an accurate, up-to-date
reflection of the physical boards.
In a sense it can't ever be, because the station boards are a
*completely* different format.
So what you should be asking is whether the platform number disappears
at the same moment in time. Is the 3-minute trial even live yet (genuine
question).
Post by Recliner
Reading their announcement and
explanation, the change actually only seems to affect long distance
services (probably meaning LNER), and the main change is that the last
announcement on the PA system will be *four* minutes before departure. We
can’t test that with the online display.
We can check that with boots on the ground, which we need anyway, to
compare the departure boards.
1. The three minute blackout period only applies to long-distance
trains (ie, all but GN). The GN trains still follow
the one minute blackout rule.
2. The last PA announcement commences one minute earlier than the
blackout point (ie, four minutes before departure)
3. The app and the display boards are in synchrony, as I expected, but
the display behaviour is slightly different. With
the app/web display, a train continues to be shown when it gets into
the 1 or 3 minute blackout period, but the platform
number gets blanked out. But, in the station, those trains get scrolled
off the display altogether. The actions take
place about five seconds after the trigger point (ie, long distance
trains get scrolled off about 2:55 before
departure).
https://www.flickr.com/photos/recliner/54371140495/in/dateposted-friend/
lightbox/
It's a screenshot from the app superimposed on a photo taken on the
same phone, so the clock time is accurate and
synchronised. The station photo was taken about a minute before the
screenshot, yet the (later) screenshot still shows
one train that's just departed, and another that's less than three
minutes before departure. The Highland Chieftain was
shown in the station board photo at 11:56:33, but scrolled off just
after 11:57. It remained visible in the app, but
with the platform number removed.
4. There weren't any delays when I was there, but checking on the app,
it looks like it's the actual expected departure
time, not the scheduled time that triggers the blackout period.
Thanks for the comprehensive report. We await whether Network Rail (in
true United Nations style) declares the experiment a Success, or a Great
Success [failure isn't in the vocabulary].
Checking the app, the blackout period in other major London termini appears
to be two minutes, rather than three. So it appears that all that’s change
at the Cross is an extension to three minutes (for long distance services
only), with the last PA announcements being made four minutes before
departure.

I don’t know if there’s a fixed period for the experiment, or if the
changed policy simply continues until the next change.

Rolf Mantel
2025-02-12 09:00:16 UTC
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On Fri, 7 Feb 2025 14:25:05 +0000, ColinR
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Post by Scott
On Fri, 7 Feb 2025 09:37:30 +0000, Jack Harry Teesdale
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King’s Cross are to remove trains from departure board three minutes
before they leave.
More hassle for passengers?
There is already a thread for this. ('How patronising': rail bosses
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2025/feb/06/how-patronising-
rail-bosses-face-anger-over-plan-to-hide-train-departure-times
Whilst true, this post was only some 12 hours after the other post -
Harry may well have not noticed the other thread with a very different
title!
I wasn't intending to criticise, simply to guide members to a single
group before it was too late.
Just to note there have been twice as many replies to this thread than
the other one!
However, we've had the content discussion in the other thread and the
meta-discucssion here, so Scott's intervention did help to keep the two
separated.
Jack Harry Teesdale
2025-02-09 17:31:42 UTC
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Post by Scott
On Fri, 7 Feb 2025 09:37:30 +0000, Jack Harry Teesdale
Post by Jack Harry Teesdale
King’s Cross are to remove trains from departure board three minutes
before they leave.
More hassle for passengers?
There is already a thread for this. ('How patronising': rail bosses
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2025/feb/06/how-patronising-rail-
bosses-face-anger-over-plan-to-hide-train-departure-times
Whilst true, this post was only some 12 hours after the other post -
Harry may well have not noticed the other thread with a very different
title!
Correct thank you and the title of the other thread did not mention
Kings Cross!
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