New Era of Rail Accountability

[Lew1]

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/new-era-of-rail-accountability-for-passengers-as-performance-data-goes-live-at-stations

New era of rail accountability for passengers as performance data goes live
at stations

Display screens at stations will help rebuild trust with passengers as we
tackle root causes of rail delays and cancellations.



Is this at all likely to make any tangible difference? It seems to be an
attempt to ‘embarrass’ the operators into doing better - but they all feel
pretty shameless anyway, so I can’t see how a network of expensive displays
will change that attitude…

Lew

[Certes]

Post by Lew1
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/new-era-of-rail-accountability-for-passengers-as-performance-data-goes-live-at-stations
New era of rail accountability for passengers as performance data goes live
at stations
Display screens at stations will help rebuild trust with passengers as we
tackle root causes of rail delays and cancellations.
Is this at all likely to make any tangible difference? It seems to be an
attempt to ‘embarrass’ the operators into doing better - but they all feel
pretty shameless anyway, so I can’t see how a network of expensive displays
will change that attitude…

What a waste of money. Spend it instead on departure boards, or even on
changes which would improve the bad news rather than just displaying it.

[Roland Perry]

Post by Certes

Post by Lew1
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/new-era-of-rail-accountability-for-p
assengers-as-performance-data-goes-live-at-stations
New era of rail accountability for passengers as performance data goes live
at stations
Display screens at stations will help rebuild trust with passengers as we
tackle root causes of rail delays and cancellations.
Is this at all likely to make any tangible difference? It seems to be an
attempt to ‘embarrass’ the operators into doing better - but they all feel
pretty shameless anyway, so I can’t see how a network of expensive displays
will change that attitude…

What a waste of money. Spend it instead on departure boards,

I noticed recently that Ely station has done away with its "arrivals"
board. So if you are meeting someone off a train you need to know its
final destination in order to identify a likely arrival time (actually,
a likely departure time, then mostly take one minute off).

Post by Certes
or even on
changes which would improve the bad news rather than just displaying it.

[Ulf_Kutzner]

Post by Roland Perry
I noticed recently that Ely station has done away with its "arrivals"
board. So if you are meeting someone off a train you need to know its
final destination in order to identify a likely arrival time (actually,
a likely departure time, then mostly take one minute off).

Given "Ely", one should take a device to look up
https://www.opentraintimes.com/location/ELYY/2025-03-08/11:21?empty_passenger=on&passenger=on&show_call=on&show_pass=on&show_stp=on&show_var=on&show_wtt=on&utf8=%E2%9C%93

[Graeme Wall]

Post by Ulf_Kutzner

Post by Roland Perry
I noticed recently that Ely station has done away with its "arrivals"
board. So if you are meeting someone off a train you need to know its
final destination in order to identify a likely arrival time (actually,
a likely departure time, then mostly take one minute off).

Given "Ely", one should take a device to look up
https://www.opentraintimes.com/location/ELYY/2025-03-08/11:21?empty_passenger=on&passenger=on&show_call=on&show_pass=on&show_stp=on&show_var=on&show_wtt=on&utf8=%E2%9C%93

Ah but Roland would have problems finding which device had what app he
needed. By the time he sorted that out the train would have been and gone.

[Roland Perry]

Post by Graeme Wall

Post by Ulf_Kutzner

Post by Roland Perry
I noticed recently that Ely station has done away with its
"arrivals"
board. So if you are meeting someone off a train you need to know its
final destination in order to identify a likely arrival time (actually,
a likely departure time, then mostly take one minute off).

Given "Ely", one should take a device to look up
https://www.opentraintimes.com/location/ELYY/2025-03-08/11:21?empty_pas
senger=on&passenger=on&show_call=on&show_pass=on&show_stp=on&show_var=o
n&show_wtt=on&utf8=%E2%9C%93

Ah but Roland would have problems finding which device had what app he
needed. By the time he sorted that out the train would have been and gone.

The old and boring comments are the best, except when they are the
worst.

[Trolleybus]

Post by Lew1
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/new-era-of-rail-accountability-for-passengers-as-performance-data-goes-live-at-stations
New era of rail accountability for passengers as performance data goes live
at stations

New era my arse. In the early days of privatisation stations had
posters telling you the latest punctuality statistics.

Post by Lew1
Display screens at stations will help rebuild trust with passengers as we
tackle root causes of rail delays and cancellations.
Is this at all likely to make any tangible difference? It seems to be an
attempt to ‘embarrass’ the operators into doing better - but they all feel
pretty shameless anyway, so I can’t see how a network of expensive displays
will change that attitude…
Lew

[Ulf_Kutzner]

Post by Trolleybus

Post by Lew1
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/new-era-of-rail-accountability-for-passengers-as-performance-data-goes-live-at-stations
New era of rail accountability for passengers as performance data goes live
at stations

New era my arse. In the early days of privatisation stations had
posters telling you the latest punctuality statistics.

Including German DB when transformed to JSC.

[JNugent]

Post by Lew1
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/new-era-of-rail-accountability-for-passengers-as-performance-data-goes-live-at-stations
New era of rail accountability for passengers as performance data goes live
at stations
Display screens at stations will help rebuild trust with passengers as we
tackle root causes of rail delays and cancellations.
Is this at all likely to make any tangible difference? It seems to be an
attempt to ‘embarrass’ the operators into doing better - but they all feel
pretty shameless anyway, so I can’t see how a network of expensive displays
will change that attitude…

Is there any plan for accountability to those taxpayers who rarely, if
ever, have use for trains?

[Tweed]

Post by JNugent

Post by Lew1
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/new-era-of-rail-accountability-for-passengers-as-performance-data-goes-live-at-stations
New era of rail accountability for passengers as performance data goes live
at stations
Display screens at stations will help rebuild trust with passengers as we
tackle root causes of rail delays and cancellations.
Is this at all likely to make any tangible difference? It seems to be an
attempt to ‘embarrass’ the operators into doing better - but they all feel
pretty shameless anyway, so I can’t see how a network of expensive displays
will change that attitude…

Is there any plan for accountability to those taxpayers who rarely, if
ever, have use for trains?

This idea that non train users are somehow unaffected by the railways
doesn’t hold up, but yes those non users should also demand better from the
railways.

Railways take traffic off the roads, making the road network less
congested. More efficient transport leads to a better economy, or put
another way there’s a lot of loss to the economy as a result of poor
transport.

Efficient rail causes more trip to be made and more resultant economic
output. Look at the complaints from leisure and hospitality businesses
during the rail strikes.

Everyone benefits including the non rail users.

[JNugent]

Post by Tweed

Post by JNugent

Post by Lew1
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/new-era-of-rail-accountability-for-passengers-as-performance-data-goes-live-at-stations
New era of rail accountability for passengers as performance data goes live
at stations
Display screens at stations will help rebuild trust with passengers as we
tackle root causes of rail delays and cancellations.
Is this at all likely to make any tangible difference? It seems to be an
attempt to ‘embarrass’ the operators into doing better - but they all feel
pretty shameless anyway, so I can’t see how a network of expensive displays
will change that attitude…

Is there any plan for accountability to those taxpayers who rarely, if
ever, have use for trains?

This idea that non train users are somehow unaffected by the railways
doesn’t hold up, but yes those non users should also demand better from the
railways.
Railways take traffic off the roads, making the road network less
congested. More efficient transport leads to a better economy, or put
another way there’s a lot of loss to the economy as a result of poor
transport.

Yes, heard that one before. Many times. It's not really very convincing,
is it?

On the same logic, motor fuel should be subsidised instead of being
subjected to about 57p a litre (£2.59 a gallon) in duty and VAT.

Since air passengers, car occupants and those travelling on inter-city
buses not only all of their own costs but swingeing additions subvented
to the Treasury as well, is there any real reason (other than
preferences and harumphing) why rail ;passengers shouldn't at least pay
the full cost of providing the transport, plus... maybe... dare
onemention it... a contribution to the Exchequer (like others do)? :-)

Post by Tweed
Efficient rail causes more trip to be made and more resultant economic
output. Look at the complaints from leisure and hospitality businesses
during the rail strikes.

I'm not in those industries. Never have been.

Post by Tweed
Everyone benefits including the non rail users.

See above.

I agree that rail strikes have an effect in the south east (where I live).

But in a provincial city, rail strikes pass by without affecting the
vast majority of the population. When I lived in Liverpool, I never knew
anyone who took a train to work for instance (except for a few
colleagues who crossed under the Mersey and could have taken a ferry).
There was always the Southport line, of course. But if that service were
even discontinued, many would take the bus or would drive and some would
either seek to move to a more convenient location for their work or
would seek alternative employment nearer their homes.

[Clive Page]

Post by JNugent

Post by Tweed
Railways take traffic off the roads, making the road network less
congested. More efficient transport leads to a better economy, or put
another way there’s a lot of loss to the economy as a result of poor
transport.

Yes, heard that one before. Many times. It's not really very convincing,
is it?

I think it is in some places. Here in Luton we have 8 trains/hour to
London, varying 5 to 12 carriages/train. Some trains are full but most
not, so perhaps an average of 300 people/train over the day, so say
2400/hour. Adding that many cars (or even 1200 if most people are
travelling in pairs) would significantly congest the already overloaded
M1, and bring major roads in north London like the A41 to gridlock for
most of the day. And god knows where we'd all park.

In fact, of course, most rail travellers to London wouldn't dream of
using a car even if, like me, they have one available. But the rail
service must have a beneficial effect on the roads that would otherwise
have to be used.

[Tweed]

Post by Clive Page

Post by JNugent

Post by Tweed
Railways take traffic off the roads, making the road network less
congested. More efficient transport leads to a better economy, or put
another way there’s a lot of loss to the economy as a result of poor
transport.

Yes, heard that one before. Many times. It's not really very convincing,
is it?

I think it is in some places. Here in Luton we have 8 trains/hour to
London, varying 5 to 12 carriages/train. Some trains are full but most
not, so perhaps an average of 300 people/train over the day, so say
2400/hour. Adding that many cars (or even 1200 if most people are
travelling in pairs) would significantly congest the already overloaded
M1, and bring major roads in north London like the A41 to gridlock for
most of the day. And god knows where we'd all park.
In fact, of course, most rail travellers to London wouldn't dream of
using a car even if, like me, they have one available. But the rail
service must have a beneficial effect on the roads that would otherwise
have to be used.

The East and West Coast mainlines carry thousands of passengers per day.
Decant that lot onto the M1 and M6 and the motorway network would grind to
a halt. It barely copes as it is. It’s not just local commutes to work that
the railway helps out with.

[Ulf_Kutzner]

Post by Tweed

Post by Clive Page

Post by JNugent

Post by Tweed
Railways take traffic off the roads, making the road network less
congested. More efficient transport leads to a better economy, or put
another way there’s a lot of loss to the economy as a result of poor
transport.

Yes, heard that one before. Many times. It's not really very convincing,
is it?

I think it is in some places. Here in Luton we have 8 trains/hour to
London, varying 5 to 12 carriages/train. Some trains are full but most
not, so perhaps an average of 300 people/train over the day, so say
2400/hour. Adding that many cars (or even 1200 if most people are
travelling in pairs) would significantly congest the already overloaded
M1, and bring major roads in north London like the A41 to gridlock for
most of the day. And god knows where we'd all park.
In fact, of course, most rail travellers to London wouldn't dream of
using a car even if, like me, they have one available. But the rail
service must have a beneficial effect on the roads that would otherwise
have to be used.

The East and West Coast mainlines carry thousands of passengers per day.
Decant that lot onto the M1 and M6 and the motorway network would grind to
a halt. It barely copes as it is. It’s not just local commutes to work that
the railway helps out with.

Add lorries. Even more of them.

[Ulf_Kutzner]

Post by JNugent

Post by Tweed

Post by JNugent

Post by Lew1
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/new-era-of-rail-accountability-for-passengers-as-performance-data-goes-live-at-stations
New era of rail accountability for passengers as performance data goes live
at stations
Display screens at stations will help rebuild trust with passengers as we
tackle root causes of rail delays and cancellations.
Is this at all likely to make any tangible difference? It seems to be an
attempt to ‘embarrass’ the operators into doing better - but they all feel
pretty shameless anyway, so I can’t see how a network of expensive displays
will change that attitude…

Is there any plan for accountability to those taxpayers who rarely, if
ever, have use for trains?

This idea that non train users are somehow unaffected by the railways
doesn’t hold up, but yes those non users should also demand better from the
railways.
Railways take traffic off the roads, making the road network less
congested. More efficient transport leads to a better economy, or put
another way there’s a lot of loss to the economy as a result of poor
transport.

Yes, heard that one before. Many times. It's not really very convincing,
is it?

You are free not to believe.

[Coffee]

Post by JNugent

Post by Lew1
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/new-era-of-rail-accountability-for-
passengers-as-performance-data-goes-live-at-stations
New era of rail accountability for passengers as performance data goes live
at stations
Display screens at stations will help rebuild trust with passengers as we
tackle root causes of rail delays and cancellations.
Is this at all likely to make any tangible difference? It seems to be an
attempt to ‘embarrass’ the operators into doing better - but they all feel
pretty shameless anyway, so I can’t see how a network of expensive displays
will change that attitude…

Is there any plan for accountability to those taxpayers who rarely, if
ever, have use for trains?

We're nearly back to the politicians' view that those who travel by
train cannot afford to buy cars.

Taxpayers have little control about what is spent on the road as well.
Hence all the complains about pot holes.

[Recliner]

Post by Coffee

Post by JNugent

Post by Lew1
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/new-era-of-rail-accountability-for-
passengers-as-performance-data-goes-live-at-stations
New era of rail accountability for passengers as performance data goes live
at stations
Display screens at stations will help rebuild trust with passengers as we
tackle root causes of rail delays and cancellations.
Is this at all likely to make any tangible difference? It seems to be an
attempt to ‘embarrass’ the operators into doing better - but they all feel
pretty shameless anyway, so I can’t see how a network of expensive displays
will change that attitude…

Is there any plan for accountability to those taxpayers who rarely, if
ever, have use for trains?

We're nearly back to the politicians' view that those who travel by
train cannot afford to buy cars.

Isn’t it the other way round? Rail users are *more* prosperous than
average.

https://inequalityintransport.org.uk/exploring-transport-inequality/rail-travel-many-or-few

[Tweed]

Post by Recliner

Post by Coffee

Post by JNugent

Post by Lew1
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/new-era-of-rail-accountability-for-
passengers-as-performance-data-goes-live-at-stations
New era of rail accountability for passengers as performance data goes live
at stations
Display screens at stations will help rebuild trust with passengers as we
tackle root causes of rail delays and cancellations.
Is this at all likely to make any tangible difference? It seems to be an
attempt to ‘embarrass’ the operators into doing better - but they all feel
pretty shameless anyway, so I can’t see how a network of expensive displays
will change that attitude…

Is there any plan for accountability to those taxpayers who rarely, if
ever, have use for trains?

We're nearly back to the politicians' view that those who travel by
train cannot afford to buy cars.

Isn’t it the other way round? Rail users are *more* prosperous than
average.
https://inequalityintransport.org.uk/exploring-transport-inequality/rail-travel-many-or-few

Currently yes. This is largely because of government policy that the rail
traveller should bear more of the burden. The country is suffering from a
sustained underinvestment in both rail and road infrastructure - it’s part
of the reason why our productivity is poor compared to similar European
economies.

[Recliner]

Post by Tweed

Post by Recliner

Post by Coffee

Post by JNugent

Post by Lew1
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/new-era-of-rail-accountability-for-
passengers-as-performance-data-goes-live-at-stations
New era of rail accountability for passengers as performance data goes live
at stations
Display screens at stations will help rebuild trust with passengers as we
tackle root causes of rail delays and cancellations.
Is this at all likely to make any tangible difference? It seems to be an
attempt to ‘embarrass’ the operators into doing better - but they all feel
pretty shameless anyway, so I can’t see how a network of expensive displays
will change that attitude…

Is there any plan for accountability to those taxpayers who rarely, if
ever, have use for trains?

We're nearly back to the politicians' view that those who travel by
train cannot afford to buy cars.

Isn’t it the other way round? Rail users are *more* prosperous than
average.
https://inequalityintransport.org.uk/exploring-transport-inequality/rail-travel-many-or-few

Currently yes. This is largely because of government policy that the rail
traveller should bear more of the burden.

Hasn’t it long been the case that rail travellers were richer than average?
Rail commuters into big cities tend to be in better-paid jobs (much better
paid in the City), rail business travellers are likely to be well-paid
managers, and people who can afford rail holidays tend not to be on the
minimum wage.

[Tweed]

Post by Recliner

Post by Tweed

Post by Recliner

Post by Coffee

Post by JNugent

Post by Lew1
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/new-era-of-rail-accountability-for-
passengers-as-performance-data-goes-live-at-stations
New era of rail accountability for passengers as performance data goes live
at stations
Display screens at stations will help rebuild trust with passengers as we
tackle root causes of rail delays and cancellations.
Is this at all likely to make any tangible difference? It seems to be an
attempt to ‘embarrass’ the operators into doing better - but they all feel
pretty shameless anyway, so I can’t see how a network of expensive displays
will change that attitude…

Is there any plan for accountability to those taxpayers who rarely, if
ever, have use for trains?

We're nearly back to the politicians' view that those who travel by
train cannot afford to buy cars.

Isn’t it the other way round? Rail users are *more* prosperous than
average.
https://inequalityintransport.org.uk/exploring-transport-inequality/rail-travel-many-or-few

Currently yes. This is largely because of government policy that the rail
traveller should bear more of the burden.

Hasn’t it long been the case that rail travellers were richer than average?
Rail commuters into big cities tend to be in better-paid jobs (much better
paid in the City), rail business travellers are likely to be well-paid
managers, and people who can afford rail holidays tend not to be on the
minimum wage.

Not entirely representative I know, but a significant number of sixth form
school students use the railways round here.

I’m always baffled how London gets its lower paid staff, cleaners,
hospitality workers etc. Where do they live and how do they get to work?

Going back an awfully long time, Parliament mandated workman’s fares.

[Recliner]

Post by Tweed

Post by Recliner

Post by Tweed

Post by Recliner

Post by Coffee

Post by JNugent

Post by Lew1
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/new-era-of-rail-accountability-for-
passengers-as-performance-data-goes-live-at-stations
New era of rail accountability for passengers as performance data goes live
at stations
Display screens at stations will help rebuild trust with passengers as we
tackle root causes of rail delays and cancellations.
Is this at all likely to make any tangible difference? It seems to be an
attempt to ‘embarrass’ the operators into doing better - but they all feel
pretty shameless anyway, so I can’t see how a network of expensive displays
will change that attitude…

Is there any plan for accountability to those taxpayers who rarely, if
ever, have use for trains?

We're nearly back to the politicians' view that those who travel by
train cannot afford to buy cars.

Isn’t it the other way round? Rail users are *more* prosperous than
average.
https://inequalityintransport.org.uk/exploring-transport-inequality/rail-travel-many-or-few

Currently yes. This is largely because of government policy that the rail
traveller should bear more of the burden.

Hasn’t it long been the case that rail travellers were richer than average?
Rail commuters into big cities tend to be in better-paid jobs (much better
paid in the City), rail business travellers are likely to be well-paid
managers, and people who can afford rail holidays tend not to be on the
minimum wage.

Not entirely representative I know, but a significant number of sixth form
school students use the railways round here.
I’m always baffled how London gets its lower paid staff, cleaners,
hospitality workers etc. Where do they live and how do they get to work?

Buses (including night buses)?

Post by Tweed
Going back an awfully long time, Parliament mandated workman’s fares.

[Clive Page]

Post by Tweed
Currently yes. This is largely because of government policy that the rail
traveller should bear more of the burden. The country is suffering from a
sustained underinvestment in both rail and road infrastructure - it’s part
of the reason why our productivity is poor compared to similar European
economies.

And the Government is doing its best to persuade us to switch from rail
to road: most rail and TfL fares up 4.6% well above inflation, petrol
and diesel costs pretty stable so decreasing in real terms, thanks to
the regular cancellation of the fuel price escalator.

And it does seem to having some effect: my impression is that the road
system is gradually getting more and more congested.

[Roland Perry]

Post by Clive Page

Post by Tweed
Currently yes. This is largely because of government policy that the rail
traveller should bear more of the burden. The country is suffering from a
sustained underinvestment in both rail and road infrastructure - it’s part
of the reason why our productivity is poor compared to similar European
economies.

And the Government is doing its best to persuade us to switch from rail
to road: most rail and TfL fares up 4.6% well above inflation, petrol
and diesel costs pretty stable so decreasing in real terms, thanks to
the regular cancellation of the fuel price escalator.
And it does seem to having some effect: my impression is that the road
system is gradually getting more and more congested.

It'll depends where you live. In much of the country all we have for
trains are 1tp two or three carriages (on just one corridor). Wouldn't
have a noticeable impact on road traffic even if they were cancelled.

Also, there's a continuing trend away from "100% working at home" to
visiting the office several times a week, which will increase traffic.

Speaking of which, we don't hear much about flexi-seasons any more.

[M***@DastardlyHQ.org]

On Mon, 10 Mar 2025 09:43:23 +0000

Post by Roland Perry

Post by Clive Page

Post by Tweed
Currently yes. This is largely because of government policy that the rail
traveller should bear more of the burden. The country is suffering from a
sustained underinvestment in both rail and road infrastructure - it’s part
of the reason why our productivity is poor compared to similar European
economies.

And the Government is doing its best to persuade us to switch from rail
to road: most rail and TfL fares up 4.6% well above inflation, petrol
and diesel costs pretty stable so decreasing in real terms, thanks to
the regular cancellation of the fuel price escalator.
And it does seem to having some effect: my impression is that the road
system is gradually getting more and more congested.

It'll depends where you live. In much of the country all we have for
trains are 1tp two or three carriages (on just one corridor). Wouldn't
have a noticeable impact on road traffic even if they were cancelled.
Also, there's a continuing trend away from "100% working at home" to
visiting the office several times a week, which will increase traffic.

It doesn't help with the DoT puts 50mph speed limits on motorways under
the guise of roadworks. In the london area there's 10 miles of them on the M1
north of luton and there's been works on the M25 from junction 23 to at least
27 for the M11 (haven't been further recently) which is over 15 miles of
50 mph limit. Did it yesterday and not only was there no one doing a bloody
thing, there wasn't even any sign of any works! They'd just coned off the
inside lane because.

The civil servants and politicians must think we're morons if they believe
we can't see through their ruse of lowering motorway speed limits.

[Tweed]

Post by M***@DastardlyHQ.org
On Mon, 10 Mar 2025 09:43:23 +0000

Post by Roland Perry

Post by Clive Page

Post by Tweed
Currently yes. This is largely because of government policy that the rail
traveller should bear more of the burden. The country is suffering from a
sustained underinvestment in both rail and road infrastructure - it’s part
of the reason why our productivity is poor compared to similar European
economies.

And the Government is doing its best to persuade us to switch from rail
to road: most rail and TfL fares up 4.6% well above inflation, petrol
and diesel costs pretty stable so decreasing in real terms, thanks to
the regular cancellation of the fuel price escalator.
And it does seem to having some effect: my impression is that the road
system is gradually getting more and more congested.

It'll depends where you live. In much of the country all we have for
trains are 1tp two or three carriages (on just one corridor). Wouldn't
have a noticeable impact on road traffic even if they were cancelled.
Also, there's a continuing trend away from "100% working at home" to
visiting the office several times a week, which will increase traffic.

It doesn't help with the DoT puts 50mph speed limits on motorways under
the guise of roadworks. In the london area there's 10 miles of them on the M1
north of luton and there's been works on the M25 from junction 23 to at least
27 for the M11 (haven't been further recently) which is over 15 miles of
50 mph limit. Did it yesterday and not only was there no one doing a bloody
thing, there wasn't even any sign of any works! They'd just coned off the
inside lane because.
The civil servants and politicians must think we're morons if they believe
we can't see through their ruse of lowering motorway speed limits.

They do get back to 70 *eventually*. There’s a stretch of the M1 round here
that has recently got rid of its umpteen miles of 50 roadworks.

[M***@DastardlyHQ.org]

On Mon, 10 Mar 2025 17:37:03 -0000 (UTC)

Post by M***@DastardlyHQ.org
It doesn't help with the DoT puts 50mph speed limits on motorways under
the guise of roadworks. In the london area there's 10 miles of them on the M1
north of luton and there's been works on the M25 from junction 23 to at least
27 for the M11 (haven't been further recently) which is over 15 miles of
50 mph limit. Did it yesterday and not only was there no one doing a bloody
thing, there wasn't even any sign of any works! They'd just coned off the
inside lane because.
The civil servants and politicians must think we're morons if they believe
we can't see through their ruse of lowering motorway speed limits.

They do get back to 70 *eventually*. There’s a stretch of the M1 round here
that has recently got rid of its umpteen miles of 50 roadworks.

Oh sure - eventually. IIRC the works just north of the M25 on the M1 were there
for something like 5 years. Then they finished and what did they do? Moved
the coned off section - I refuse to call it roadworks - 10 miles north. Same
effect.

[Certes]

Post by M***@DastardlyHQ.org
On Mon, 10 Mar 2025 17:37:03 -0000 (UTC)

Post by Tweed

Post by M***@DastardlyHQ.org
It doesn't help with the DoT puts 50mph speed limits on motorways under
the guise of roadworks. In the london area there's 10 miles of them on the M1
north of luton and there's been works on the M25 from junction 23 to at least
27 for the M11 (haven't been further recently) which is over 15 miles of
50 mph limit. Did it yesterday and not only was there no one doing a bloody
thing, there wasn't even any sign of any works! They'd just coned off the
inside lane because.
The civil servants and politicians must think we're morons if they believe
we can't see through their ruse of lowering motorway speed limits.

They do get back to 70 *eventually*. There’s a stretch of the M1 round here
that has recently got rid of its umpteen miles of 50 roadworks.

Oh sure - eventually. IIRC the works just north of the M25 on the M1 were there
for something like 5 years. Then they finished and what did they do? Moved
the coned off section - I refuse to call it roadworks - 10 miles north. Same
effect.

Perhaps they should bring back the Cones Hotline.

[Recliner]

Post by Certes

Post by M***@DastardlyHQ.org
On Mon, 10 Mar 2025 17:37:03 -0000 (UTC)

Post by Tweed

Post by M***@DastardlyHQ.org
It doesn't help with the DoT puts 50mph speed limits on motorways under
the guise of roadworks. In the london area there's 10 miles of them on the M1
north of luton and there's been works on the M25 from junction 23 to at least
27 for the M11 (haven't been further recently) which is over 15 miles of
50 mph limit. Did it yesterday and not only was there no one doing a bloody
thing, there wasn't even any sign of any works! They'd just coned off the
inside lane because.
The civil servants and politicians must think we're morons if they believe
we can't see through their ruse of lowering motorway speed limits.

They do get back to 70 *eventually*. There’s a stretch of the M1 round here
that has recently got rid of its umpteen miles of 50 roadworks.

Oh sure - eventually. IIRC the works just north of the M25 on the M1 were there
for something like 5 years. Then they finished and what did they do? Moved
the coned off section - I refuse to call it roadworks - 10 miles north. Same
effect.

Perhaps they should bring back the Cones Hotline.

Ah, the greatest achievement of the Major government!

[Sam Wilson]

Post by Certes

Post by M***@DastardlyHQ.org
On Mon, 10 Mar 2025 17:37:03 -0000 (UTC)

Post by Tweed

Post by M***@DastardlyHQ.org
It doesn't help with the DoT puts 50mph speed limits on motorways under
the guise of roadworks. In the london area there's 10 miles of them on the M1
north of luton and there's been works on the M25 from junction 23 to at least
27 for the M11 (haven't been further recently) which is over 15 miles of
50 mph limit. Did it yesterday and not only was there no one doing a bloody
thing, there wasn't even any sign of any works! They'd just coned off the
inside lane because.
The civil servants and politicians must think we're morons if they believe
we can't see through their ruse of lowering motorway speed limits.

They do get back to 70 *eventually*. There’s a stretch of the M1 round here
that has recently got rid of its umpteen miles of 50 roadworks.

Oh sure - eventually. IIRC the works just north of the M25 on the M1 were there
for something like 5 years. Then they finished and what did they do? Moved
the coned off section - I refuse to call it roadworks - 10 miles north. Same
effect.

Perhaps they should bring back the Cones Hotline.

Perhaps the cones are owned by a scaffolding company.

Sam

[Ulf_Kutzner]

Post by Clive Page

Post by Tweed
Currently yes. This is largely because of government policy that the rail
traveller should bear more of the burden. The country is suffering from a
sustained underinvestment in both rail and road infrastructure - it’s part
of the reason why our productivity is poor compared to similar European
economies.

And the Government is doing its best to persuade us to switch from rail
to road: most rail and TfL fares up 4.6% well above inflation, petrol
and diesel costs pretty stable so decreasing in real terms, thanks to
the regular cancellation of the fuel price escalator.

What about new cars? Okay, you keep the old ones.

[Graeme Wall]

Post by Recliner

Post by Coffee

Post by JNugent

Post by Lew1
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/new-era-of-rail-accountability-for-
passengers-as-performance-data-goes-live-at-stations
New era of rail accountability for passengers as performance data goes live
at stations
Display screens at stations will help rebuild trust with passengers as we
tackle root causes of rail delays and cancellations.
Is this at all likely to make any tangible difference? It seems to be an
attempt to ‘embarrass’ the operators into doing better - but they all feel
pretty shameless anyway, so I can’t see how a network of expensive displays
will change that attitude…

Is there any plan for accountability to those taxpayers who rarely, if
ever, have use for trains?

We're nearly back to the politicians' view that those who travel by
train cannot afford to buy cars.

Isn’t it the other way round? Rail users are *more* prosperous than
average.

He seems to be thinking, like Thatcher, of buses.