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Edinburgh Waverley = Edinburgh = EDB?
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Tim Watts
2015-08-02 15:18:34 UTC
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Dumb question: ^ are those the same station? Or am I missing something...

Because the relatives have tickets to "Edinburgh" (from London) but I
can only find Edinburgh Waverley and Haymarket on the maps.

Or is this like London, where "Edinburgh" means "one of a random number
of stations withing the city radius".

Ta :)
Martin Coffee
2015-08-02 15:45:40 UTC
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Post by Tim Watts
Dumb question: ^ are those the same station? Or am I missing something...
Because the relatives have tickets to "Edinburgh" (from London) but I
can only find Edinburgh Waverley and Haymarket on the maps.
Or is this like London, where "Edinburgh" means "one of a random number
of stations withing the city radius".
Ta :)
Looking at brfares.com EDB is Waverley so that must be the proper name.
However I suspect most people still know it as Edinburgh Waverley.

I still think of other stations such as Bodmin Road by the name I've
always known them so I suspect it'll take time to lose Waverley from the
public's perception.
Railsigns.uk
2015-08-02 15:53:05 UTC
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Post by Tim Watts
Dumb question: ^ are those the same station? Or am I missing something...
Because the relatives have tickets to "Edinburgh" (from London) but I
can only find Edinburgh Waverley and Haymarket on the maps.
Or is this like London, where "Edinburgh" means "one of a random number
of stations withing the city radius".
Ta :)
Looking at brfares.com EDB is Waverley so that must be the proper name.
However I suspect most people still know it as Edinburgh Waverley.
I still think of other stations such as Bodmin Road by the name I've
always known them so I suspect it'll take time to lose Waverley from the
public's perception.
The station name signs say "Edinburgh Waverley".
Graeme Wall
2015-08-02 15:58:45 UTC
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Post by Tim Watts
Dumb question: ^ are those the same station? Or am I missing something...
Because the relatives have tickets to "Edinburgh" (from London) but I
can only find Edinburgh Waverley and Haymarket on the maps.
Or is this like London, where "Edinburgh" means "one of a random number
of stations withing the city radius".
Ta :)
Looking at brfares.com EDB is Waverley so that must be the proper name.
However I suspect most people still know it as Edinburgh Waverley.
I still think of other stations such as Bodmin Road by the name I've
always known them so I suspect it'll take time to lose Waverley from the
public's perception.
Probably never will for the locals, the Edinburgh prefix, like the
London prefix further south, was introduced to counter perceived
confusion in irregular travellers. As the locals are perfectly well
aware of where Waverley is they have no need to use the full name.
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Graeme Wall
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Railsigns.uk
2015-08-02 16:03:08 UTC
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Post by Tim Watts
Dumb question: ^ are those the same station? Or am I missing something...
Because the relatives have tickets to "Edinburgh" (from London) but I
can only find Edinburgh Waverley and Haymarket on the maps.
Or is this like London, where "Edinburgh" means "one of a random number
of stations withing the city radius".
Ta :)
Looking at brfares.com EDB is Waverley so that must be the proper name.
However I suspect most people still know it as Edinburgh Waverley.
I still think of other stations such as Bodmin Road by the name I've
always known them so I suspect it'll take time to lose Waverley from the
public's perception.
Probably never will for the locals, the Edinburgh prefix, like the
London prefix further south, was introduced to counter perceived
confusion in irregular travellers. As the locals are perfectly well
aware of where Waverley is they have no need to use the full name.
The station has always had "Edinburgh" in its name. It was the suffix "Waverley" that was dropped then re-introduced.
Graeme Wall
2015-08-02 16:38:24 UTC
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Post by Tim Watts
Dumb question: ^ are those the same station? Or am I missing something...
Because the relatives have tickets to "Edinburgh" (from London) but I
can only find Edinburgh Waverley and Haymarket on the maps.
Or is this like London, where "Edinburgh" means "one of a random number
of stations withing the city radius".
Ta :)
Looking at brfares.com EDB is Waverley so that must be the proper name.
However I suspect most people still know it as Edinburgh Waverley.
I still think of other stations such as Bodmin Road by the name I've
always known them so I suspect it'll take time to lose Waverley from the
public's perception.
Probably never will for the locals, the Edinburgh prefix, like the
London prefix further south, was introduced to counter perceived
confusion in irregular travellers. As the locals are perfectly well
aware of where Waverley is they have no need to use the full name.
The station has always had "Edinburgh" in its name. It was the suffix "Waverley" that was dropped then re-introduced.
I must have missed the first part of the saga.
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Graeme Wall
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Tim Watts
2015-08-02 16:55:38 UTC
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The station has always had "Edinburgh" in its name. It was the suffix
"Waverley" that was dropped then re-introduced.
I must have missed the first part of the saga.
Thank you all.

Confuse for us foreigners! ;->

Seriously - I am so used to weirdisms in station names that I always
question anything that does not match 100%.
tim.....
2015-08-02 17:18:05 UTC
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The station has always had "Edinburgh" in its name. It was the suffix
"Waverley" that was dropped then re-introduced.
I must have missed the first part of the saga.
Thank you all.
Confuse for us foreigners! ;->
Seriously - I am so used to weirdisms in station names that I always
question anything that does not match 100%.
when they changed the name of Bath to "Bath Spa" there were pax who didn't
get off because they thought that they hadn't arrived at "their" station yet

tim
G***@live.co.uk
2015-08-02 19:03:35 UTC
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The station has always had "Edinburgh" in its name. It was the suffix
"Waverley" that was dropped then re-introduced.
I must have missed the first part of the saga.
Thank you all.
Confuse for us foreigners! ;->
Seriously - I am so used to weirdisms in station names that I always
question anything that does not match 100%.
when they changed the name of Bath to "Bath Spa" there were pax who didn't
get off because they thought that they hadn't arrived at "their" station yet
tim
Sounds unlikely; AFAIAA the station has been called Bath Spa since at least Nationalisation. Certainly all the timetables I have over the years refer to it as such.
Tim Watts
2015-08-02 21:23:54 UTC
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The station has always had "Edinburgh" in its name. It was the suffix
"Waverley" that was dropped then re-introduced.
I must have missed the first part of the saga.
Thank you all.
Confuse for us foreigners! ;->
Seriously - I am so used to weirdisms in station names that I always
question anything that does not match 100%.
when they changed the name of Bath to "Bath Spa" there were pax who
didn't get off because they thought that they hadn't arrived at "their"
station yet
TBH that would be me - "Bath Spa" sounds like a secondary station, not
the main or central.

Why on earth did they invent "Bath Spa" - Bath is Bath...
d***@yahoo.co.uk
2015-08-02 22:29:11 UTC
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Post by tim.....
when they changed the name of Bath to "Bath Spa" there were pax who
didn't get off because they thought that they hadn't arrived at "their"
station yet
TBH that would be me - "Bath Spa" sounds like a secondary station, not
the main or central.
Why on earth did they invent "Bath Spa" - Bath is Bath...
To distinguish it from the long closed Bath Green Park Station which
served the Somerset and Dorset and Midland Railway routes ,though up
till nationalisation people did not seem to get confused when the GWR
station was just Bath.
Most of Green Park still stands in use as a Sainsburys and covered
retail area. Here is a Plug for Bath Green park.
http://www.greenparkstation.co.uk/


G.Harman
r***@gmail.com
2015-08-03 09:30:08 UTC
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The station has always had "Edinburgh" in its name. It was the suffix
"Waverley" that was dropped then re-introduced.
I must have missed the first part of the saga.
Thank you all.
Confuse for us foreigners! ;->
Seriously - I am so used to weirdisms in station names that I always
question anything that does not match 100%.
when they changed the name of Bath to "Bath Spa" there were pax who
didn't get off because they thought that they hadn't arrived at "their"
station yet
TBH that would be me - "Bath Spa" sounds like a secondary station, not
the main or central.
Why on earth did they invent "Bath Spa" - Bath is Bath...
I expect in order to distinguish it from Bath Green Park. How many other examples are there of stations that had a "modifier" to distinguish them from a different station in the same town that retained the modifier after all potentially confusing alternate stations closed? Dover Priory springs to mind as an example.

Robin
Graeme Wall
2015-08-03 09:56:56 UTC
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The station has always had "Edinburgh" in its name. It was the suffix
"Waverley" that was dropped then re-introduced.
I must have missed the first part of the saga.
Thank you all.
Confuse for us foreigners! ;->
Seriously - I am so used to weirdisms in station names that I always
question anything that does not match 100%.
when they changed the name of Bath to "Bath Spa" there were pax who
didn't get off because they thought that they hadn't arrived at "their"
station yet
TBH that would be me - "Bath Spa" sounds like a secondary station, not
the main or central.
Why on earth did they invent "Bath Spa" - Bath is Bath...
I expect in order to distinguish it from Bath Green Park. How many other examples are there of stations that had a "modifier" to distinguish them from a different station in the same town that retained the modifier after all potentially confusing alternate stations closed? Dover Priory springs to mind as an example.
Southampton Central.
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r***@gmail.com
2015-08-03 11:16:23 UTC
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Post by Tim Watts
TBH that would be me - "Bath Spa" sounds like a secondary station, not
the main or central.
Why on earth did they invent "Bath Spa" - Bath is Bath...
I expect in order to distinguish it from Bath Green Park. How many other
examples are there of stations that had a "modifier" to distinguish them
from a different station in the same town that retained the modifier after
all potentially confusing alternate stations closed? Dover Priory springs
to mind as an example.
Southampton Central.
As distinct from Southampton Airport Parkway.

Robin
Graeme Wall
2015-08-03 11:19:07 UTC
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Post by Tim Watts
TBH that would be me - "Bath Spa" sounds like a secondary station, not
the main or central.
Why on earth did they invent "Bath Spa" - Bath is Bath...
I expect in order to distinguish it from Bath Green Park. How many other
examples are there of stations that had a "modifier" to distinguish them
from a different station in the same town that retained the modifier after
all potentially confusing alternate stations closed? Dover Priory springs
to mind as an example.
Southampton Central.
As distinct from Southampton Airport Parkway.
As distinct from Southampton Terminus. At the time the latter shut
Parkway was Eastleigh Airport.
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Graeme Wall
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d***@yahoo.co.uk
2015-08-03 21:27:09 UTC
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On Mon, 03 Aug 2015 12:19:07 +0100, Graeme Wall
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Southampton Central.
As distinct from Southampton Airport Parkway.
As distinct from Southampton Terminus. At the time the latter shut
Parkway was Eastleigh Airport.
Are you sure about that? There was a time when in deference to
Eastleigh feeling it had been invaded the station was known as
Southampton(Eastleigh) Airport but I don't think there has been a time
when the present station hasn't had Southampton in the name.
A station was on the site in the 1920's that was called Atlantic Park
which interestingly in view of current events was not a pretty housing
development but a refugee center/ transit camp for processing migrants
whose intended journey from Eastern Europe to the USA post WW1 via
Soton Docks had been thwarted by changes made by the USA to its
immigration policy.That station later closed and the present Airport
station is relatively recent dating from 1966.

There was a period after Terminus shut that Southampton Central became
plain Southampton, it regained the suffix after a while but I can't
remember when.

G.Harman
Theo Markettos
2015-08-04 10:57:38 UTC
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Southampton Central.
As distinct from Southampton Airport Parkway.
As distinct from Southampton Terminus. At the time the latter shut
Parkway was Eastleigh Airport.
Are you sure about that? There was a time when in deference to
Eastleigh feeling it had been invaded the station was known as
Southampton(Eastleigh) Airport but I don't think there has been a time
when the present station hasn't had Southampton in the name.
Did that period overlap with operations of flying boats from Southampton?
That could have caused confusion between the two 'airports'.

Theo
Graeme Wall
2015-08-04 11:24:10 UTC
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Southampton Central.
As distinct from Southampton Airport Parkway.
As distinct from Southampton Terminus. At the time the latter shut
Parkway was Eastleigh Airport.
Are you sure about that? There was a time when in deference to
Eastleigh feeling it had been invaded the station was known as
Southampton(Eastleigh) Airport but I don't think there has been a time
when the present station hasn't had Southampton in the name.
Did that period overlap with operations of flying boats from Southampton?
That could have caused confusion between the two 'airports'.
There wasn't a formal "airport" for the flying boats, they operated
initially from a pontoon at Hythe and then later from Marchwood. In
1938 they started operating from a pontoon at Berth 107 (later moved to
108) in the New Docks. It would have been feasible for a rail
connection to have been established after the move to the new docks, by
attaching and detaching a coach from the Waterloo expresses but I don't
know if that was, in fact, done.

In 1943 a plan was drawn up for a combined sea and land plane airport
with it's own rail connection to be built between the mouths of the
Hamble and Meon rivers.

Re: another thread, there were also post war proposals to build a water
runway to the north of Heathrow.
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d***@yahoo.co.uk
2015-08-04 13:06:34 UTC
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On Tue, 04 Aug 2015 12:24:10 +0100, Graeme Wall
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Are you sure about that? There was a time when in deference to
Eastleigh feeling it had been invaded the station was known as
Southampton(Eastleigh) Airport but I don't think there has been a time
when the present station hasn't had Southampton in the name.
Did that period overlap with operations of flying boats from Southampton?
That could have caused confusion between the two 'airports'.
The Atlantic Park station which was the first station at the location
and served the refugee camp seems to have closed quietly after that
camp was disbanded and the Airfield becoming a owned by what was then
still the Town of Southampton and becoming a civil airport, as such it
did not have a station till the present one was opened in 1966 so
while the Flying Boats were in service there was no overlap.
Post by Graeme Wall
There wasn't a formal "airport" for the flying boats, they operated
initially from a pontoon at Hythe and then later from Marchwood. In
1938 they started operating from a pontoon at Berth 107 (later moved to
108) in the New Docks. It would have been feasible for a rail
connection to have been established after the move to the new docks, by
attaching and detaching a coach from the Waterloo expresses but I don't
know if that was, in fact, done.
With a building dedicated to them at both the New docks and the BOAC
terminal building that was built back in the Old Docks post WW2 I
would think that things were little more formal than just the early
pontoons especially at the latter.
Pre WW2 I'm not sure what berth they were using but the short lived
dedicated trains for the Flying boats left from Victoria not Waterloo.
http://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/news-photo/the-first-imperial-airways-rail-special-leaving-a-specially-news-photo/57066785

This WWW page is about the postwar terminal which also had a short
life life due to development of land planes.
http://www.disused-stations.org.uk/s/southampton_flying_boat_terminal/index.shtml
The walkways were still up when you moved to Soton Graeme between the
brick piers that in times past were the mooring points for a floating
dock.
Post by Graeme Wall
In 1943 a plan was drawn up for a combined sea and land plane airport
with it's own rail connection to be built between the mouths of the
Hamble and Meon rivers.
Re: another thread, there were also post war proposals to build a water
runway to the north of Heathrow.
There was also a proposal to replace Southampton and Bournemouth
airports with a large regional at Ampfield near Romsey which could
have had a station on the Romsey C/Ford line.

G.Harman
Arthur Figgis
2015-08-03 23:27:42 UTC
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I expect in order to distinguish it from Bath Green Park. How many
other examples are there of stations that had a "modifier" to
distinguish them from a different station in the same town that
retained the modifier after all potentially confusing alternate
stations closed? Dover Priory springs to mind as an example.
There are some where it is unclear to what extent the modifier still has
any kind of "official" existence: eg Leeds City, Hull Paragon, various
Midlands. St Albans sometimes seems to lose the City even though that
makes it potentially ambiguous.
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The Real Doctor
2015-08-04 08:25:12 UTC
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There are some where it is unclear to what extent the modifier still has
any kind of "official" existence: eg Leeds City, Hull Paragon, various
Midlands. St Albans sometimes seems to lose the City even though that
makes it potentially ambiguous.
British Rail adopted a policy in the eighties of removing any station
name if there was only one major station in the city. Hence "Hull
Paragon" -> "Hull" and, when they changed Edinburgh Haymarket" to
"Haymarket", "Edinburgh Waverley" -> "Edinburgh".

That caused a lot of annoyance, and after many thousands of signatures
on a petition (organised by the Wonderland model railway shop on Lothian
Road), "Waverley" was returned to the official name.

It's all a mess now, though, because we have "Edinburgh Park" as well as
"Edinburgh"/"Edinburgh Waverley". I hear rumours that in due course
Haymarket will become "Edinburgh Haymarket" again, as it is now being
pushed much more for longer distance travellers, not least because it's
the tram interchange.

Ian
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2015-08-04 20:25:31 UTC
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The station has always had "Edinburgh" in its name. It was the suffix
"Waverley" that was dropped then re-introduced.
I must have missed the first part of the saga.
Thank you all.
Confuse for us foreigners! ;->
Seriously - I am so used to weirdisms in station names that I always
question anything that does not match 100%.
when they changed the name of Bath to "Bath Spa" there were pax who
didn't get off because they thought that they hadn't arrived at "their"
station yet
TBH that would be me - "Bath Spa" sounds like a secondary station, not
the main or central.
Why on earth did they invent "Bath Spa" - Bath is Bath...
I expect in order to distinguish it from Bath Green Park. How many other examples are there of stations that had a "modifier" to distinguish them from a different station in the same town that retained the modifier after all potentially confusing alternate stations closed? Dover Priory springs to mind as an example.
Robin
Rotherham Central is another, whereas Milton Keynes Central is an odd one as there has never been another station carrying the town's name. Was it once planned to name Bletchley "Milton Keynes North" and Wolverton "Milton Keynes South", I wonder?

In Northern Ireland, a slightly different situation arose in the 70s where Portadown became "Portadown Craigavon West" (and carried that name until fairly recently) and Lugan "Lurgan Craigavon East" (although I don't know if that ever carried saigns to that effect), presumably in anticipation of the construction of a new Craigavon Central station (never built) for the eponymous New Town.
Recliner
2015-08-04 20:38:30 UTC
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The station has always had "Edinburgh" in its name. It was the suffix
"Waverley" that was dropped then re-introduced.
I must have missed the first part of the saga.
Thank you all.
Confuse for us foreigners! ;->
Seriously - I am so used to weirdisms in station names that I always
question anything that does not match 100%.
when they changed the name of Bath to "Bath Spa" there were pax who
didn't get off because they thought that they hadn't arrived at "their"
station yet
TBH that would be me - "Bath Spa" sounds like a secondary station, not
the main or central.
Why on earth did they invent "Bath Spa" - Bath is Bath...
I expect in order to distinguish it from Bath Green Park. How many
other examples are there of stations that had a "modifier" to
distinguish them from a different station in the same town that retained
the modifier after all potentially confusing alternate stations closed?
Dover Priory springs to mind as an example.
Robin
Rotherham Central is another, whereas Milton Keynes Central is an odd one
as there has never been another station carrying the town's name. Was it
once planned to name Bletchley "Milton Keynes North" and Wolverton
"Milton Keynes South", I wonder?
Or even the other way round?
G***@live.co.uk
2015-08-04 20:48:45 UTC
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The station has always had "Edinburgh" in its name. It was the suffix
"Waverley" that was dropped then re-introduced.
I must have missed the first part of the saga.
Thank you all.
Confuse for us foreigners! ;->
Seriously - I am so used to weirdisms in station names that I always
question anything that does not match 100%.
when they changed the name of Bath to "Bath Spa" there were pax who
didn't get off because they thought that they hadn't arrived at "their"
station yet
TBH that would be me - "Bath Spa" sounds like a secondary station, not
the main or central.
Why on earth did they invent "Bath Spa" - Bath is Bath...
I expect in order to distinguish it from Bath Green Park. How many
other examples are there of stations that had a "modifier" to
distinguish them from a different station in the same town that retained
the modifier after all potentially confusing alternate stations closed?
Dover Priory springs to mind as an example.
Robin
Rotherham Central is another, whereas Milton Keynes Central is an odd one
as there has never been another station carrying the town's name. Was it
once planned to name Bletchley "Milton Keynes North" and Wolverton
"Milton Keynes South", I wonder?
Or even the other way round?
Oops!
Charles Ellson
2015-08-02 22:57:05 UTC
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Dumb question: ^ are those the same station? Or am I missing something...
Because the relatives have tickets to "Edinburgh" (from London) but I
can only find Edinburgh Waverley and Haymarket on the maps.
Or is this like London, where "Edinburgh" means "one of a random number
of stations withing the city radius".
Ta :)
Looking at brfares.com EDB is Waverley so that must be the proper name.
However I suspect most people still know it as Edinburgh Waverley.
I still think of other stations such as Bodmin Road by the name I've
always known them so I suspect it'll take time to lose Waverley from the
public's perception.
Probably never will for the locals, the Edinburgh prefix, like the
London prefix further south, was introduced to counter perceived
confusion in irregular travellers. As the locals are perfectly well
aware of where Waverley is they have no need to use the full name.
The station has always had "Edinburgh" in its name. It was the suffix "Waverley" that was dropped then re-introduced.
I must have missed the first part of the saga.
It caused something of an outcry locally and further away, being
regarded as a variation of "If it ain't broke.....". ISTR there was
also an overlap with "Edinburgh" on a ticket meaning either Waverley
or Haymarket thus providing an opportunity for confusion.
a***@yahoo.com
2015-08-04 13:46:42 UTC
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I would assume a tickket marked Edinburgh to be short for Edinburgh all stations.

So it would be curious if indeed such a ticket wasn't valid to Haymarket.
Roland Perry
2015-08-04 13:56:07 UTC
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I would assume a tickket marked Edinburgh to be short for Edinburgh all stations.
So it would be curious if indeed such a ticket wasn't valid to Haymarket.
If it also says "East Coast only", which is what my ticket did, there
are very few daily opportunities to those last couple of miles with East
Coast.
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Arthur Figgis
2015-08-04 17:44:05 UTC
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I would assume a tickket marked Edinburgh to be short for Edinburgh all stations.
So it would be curious if indeed such a ticket wasn't valid to Haymarket.
"Somewhere stations" and "stations called Somewhere-Something" don't
necessarily overlap; Birmingham International being a prominent one.
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The Real Doctor
2015-08-04 19:29:51 UTC
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"Somewhere stations" and "stations called Somewhere-Something" don't
necessarily overlap; Birmingham International being a prominent one.
Edinburgh Park.

Ian
Roland Perry
2015-08-04 18:46:39 UTC
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I would assume a tickket marked Edinburgh to be short for Edinburgh all stations.
So it would be curious if indeed such a ticket wasn't valid to Haymarket.
"Somewhere stations" and "stations called Somewhere-Something" don't
necessarily overlap; Birmingham International being a prominent one.
Edinburgh Group is:

DALMENY
EDINBURGH [Waverley]
HAYMARKET
SOUTH GYLE
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Sam Wilson
2015-08-06 16:13:43 UTC
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I would assume a tickket marked Edinburgh to be short for Edinburgh all stations.
So it would be curious if indeed such a ticket wasn't valid to Haymarket.
"Somewhere stations" and "stations called Somewhere-Something" don't
necessarily overlap; Birmingham International being a prominent one.
DALMENY
EDINBURGH [Waverley]
HAYMARKET
SOUTH GYLE
Interesting that this is EDB and HYM and two stations on one line (the
Fife line) but none of the other local stations on other lines. I
wonder why that is.

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Richard
2015-08-07 20:25:25 UTC
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Post by Roland Perry
Post by Arthur Figgis
Post by a***@yahoo.com
I would assume a tickket marked Edinburgh to be short for Edinburgh all stations.
So it would be curious if indeed such a ticket wasn't valid to Haymarket.
"Somewhere stations" and "stations called Somewhere-Something" don't
necessarily overlap; Birmingham International being a prominent one.
DALMENY
EDINBURGH [Waverley]
HAYMARKET
SOUTH GYLE
To be clear, those stations (with Edinburgh Park) form the Edinburgh
Routeing Point Group, but there's no equivalent fare location in the
style of London Terminals or Manchester Stations.

You could expect the fares to be at least similar: in practice most
fares from any distance are defined using clusters that include all
these stations, and more.

The omission of a fare group seems odd, Wikipedia's says there used to
be one, and I find that even more strange.

Richard.
G***@live.co.uk
2015-08-07 20:52:38 UTC
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Post by Richard
Post by Roland Perry
Post by Arthur Figgis
Post by a***@yahoo.com
I would assume a tickket marked Edinburgh to be short for Edinburgh all stations.
So it would be curious if indeed such a ticket wasn't valid to Haymarket.
"Somewhere stations" and "stations called Somewhere-Something" don't
necessarily overlap; Birmingham International being a prominent one.
DALMENY
EDINBURGH [Waverley]
HAYMARKET
SOUTH GYLE
To be clear, those stations (with Edinburgh Park) form the Edinburgh
Routeing Point Group, but there's no equivalent fare location in the
style of London Terminals or Manchester Stations.
You could expect the fares to be at least similar: in practice most
fares from any distance are defined using clusters that include all
these stations, and more.
The omission of a fare group seems odd, Wikipedia's says there used to
be one, and I find that even more strange.
Richard.
Not only is there no fare group but IMX in the past AP fares to Haymarket would be available when there were no fares available to Edinburgh, and vv, and when available to both stations different fares would be offered!
Stephen Allcroft
2015-08-08 14:05:10 UTC
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Post by G***@live.co.uk
Post by Richard
Post by Roland Perry
Post by Arthur Figgis
Post by a***@yahoo.com
I would assume a tickket marked Edinburgh to be short for Edinburgh all stations.
So it would be curious if indeed such a ticket wasn't valid to Haymarket.
"Somewhere stations" and "stations called Somewhere-Something" don't
necessarily overlap; Birmingham International being a prominent one.
DALMENY
EDINBURGH [Waverley]
HAYMARKET
SOUTH GYLE
To be clear, those stations (with Edinburgh Park) form the Edinburgh
Routeing Point Group, but there's no equivalent fare location in the
style of London Terminals or Manchester Stations.
You could expect the fares to be at least similar: in practice most
fares from any distance are defined using clusters that include all
these stations, and more.
The omission of a fare group seems odd, Wikipedia's says there used to
be one, and I find that even more strange.
Richard.
Not only is there no fare group but IMX in the past AP fares to Haymarket would be available when there were no fares available to Edinburgh, and vv, and when available to both stations different fares would be offered!
To get back to the OPs point Not only does the on-station automated voice not say Waverley, she mangles Cardross as K'dross and pronounces Caldercruix as Calledacrook. The on-train recorded voice does much better on both place names.

Stephen Allcroft
Cardross
Scotland
Michael Bell
2015-08-08 15:21:44 UTC
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Post by Stephen Allcroft
Post by G***@live.co.uk
Post by Richard
Post by Roland Perry
Post by Arthur Figgis
Post by a***@yahoo.com
I would assume a tickket marked Edinburgh to be short for Edinburgh all stations.
So it would be curious if indeed such a ticket wasn't valid to Haymarket.
"Somewhere stations" and "stations called Somewhere-Something" don't
necessarily overlap; Birmingham International being a prominent one.
DALMENY
EDINBURGH [Waverley]
HAYMARKET
SOUTH GYLE
To be clear, those stations (with Edinburgh Park) form the Edinburgh
Routeing Point Group, but there's no equivalent fare location in the
style of London Terminals or Manchester Stations.
You could expect the fares to be at least similar: in practice most
fares from any distance are defined using clusters that include all
these stations, and more.
The omission of a fare group seems odd, Wikipedia's says there used to
be one, and I find that even more strange.
Richard.
Not only is there no fare group but IMX in the past AP fares to
Haymarket would be available when there were no fares available to
Edinburgh, and vv, and when available to both stations different fares
would be offered!
To get back to the OPs point Not only does the on-station automated
voice not say Waverley, she mangles Cardross as K'dross and pronounces
Caldercruix as Calledacrook. The on-train recorded voice does much
better on both place names.
Stephen Allcroft
Cardross
Scotland
Local place names always cause problems. Think of Rooey's Lip, Eeton,
Eyelington, Playstoe and Lundun.

Michael Bell
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2015-08-04 19:32:39 UTC
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Post by a***@yahoo.com
I would assume a tickket marked Edinburgh to be short for Edinburgh all stations.
So it would be curious if indeed such a ticket wasn't valid to Haymarket.
I would have thought so too, but in fact there is no "Edinburgh
Stations" group (which is what it would be). So Edinburgh = Waverley.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Station_group_%28railway%29 asserts that
there *was* a group in BR days at least, but has no end date for it.

Richard.
Charles Ellson
2015-08-04 20:06:17 UTC
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On Tue, 04 Aug 2015 20:32:39 +0100, Richard
Post by Richard
Post by a***@yahoo.com
I would assume a tickket marked Edinburgh to be short for Edinburgh all stations.
So it would be curious if indeed such a ticket wasn't valid to Haymarket.
I would have thought so too, but in fact there is no "Edinburgh
Stations" group (which is what it would be). So Edinburgh = Waverley.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Station_group_%28railway%29 asserts that
there *was* a group in BR days at least, but has no end date for it.
A quick poke of nationalrail.co.uk does however suggest that (from
Newcastle, Kings Cross, Berwick or Dalmeny) both stations still
involve the same fare.
Scott
2015-08-02 20:36:20 UTC
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On Sun, 2 Aug 2015 09:03:08 -0700 (PDT), "Railsigns.uk"
Post by Railsigns.uk
Post by Graeme Wall
Post by Martin Coffee
Post by Tim Watts
Dumb question: ^ are those the same station? Or am I missing something...
Because the relatives have tickets to "Edinburgh" (from London) but I
can only find Edinburgh Waverley and Haymarket on the maps.
Or is this like London, where "Edinburgh" means "one of a random number
of stations withing the city radius".
Ta :)
Looking at brfares.com EDB is Waverley so that must be the proper name.
However I suspect most people still know it as Edinburgh Waverley.
I still think of other stations such as Bodmin Road by the name I've
always known them so I suspect it'll take time to lose Waverley from the
public's perception.
Probably never will for the locals, the Edinburgh prefix, like the
London prefix further south, was introduced to counter perceived
confusion in irregular travellers. As the locals are perfectly well
aware of where Waverley is they have no need to use the full name.
The station has always had "Edinburgh" in its name. It was the suffix "Waverley" that was dropped then re-introduced.
AIUI Network Rail calls it 'Edinburgh' and (Abellio) ScotRail use
'Edinburgh Waverley' on destination boards but 'Edinburgh' in platform
announcements. I'll try to find out what happens on the trains
tomorrow.
Railsigns.uk
2015-08-02 20:46:49 UTC
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Post by Scott
On Sun, 2 Aug 2015 09:03:08 -0700 (PDT), "Railsigns.uk"
Post by Railsigns.uk
The station has always had "Edinburgh" in its name. It was the suffix "Waverley" that was dropped then re-introduced.
AIUI Network Rail calls it 'Edinburgh' and (Abellio) ScotRail use
'Edinburgh Waverley' on destination boards but 'Edinburgh' in platform
announcements.
It was just "Edinburgh" at Glasgow Queen Street in March this year:

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Scott
2015-08-02 20:53:58 UTC
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On Sun, 2 Aug 2015 13:46:49 -0700 (PDT), "Railsigns.uk"
Post by Railsigns.uk
Post by Scott
On Sun, 2 Aug 2015 09:03:08 -0700 (PDT), "Railsigns.uk"
Post by Railsigns.uk
The station has always had "Edinburgh" in its name. It was the suffix "Waverley" that was dropped then re-introduced.
AIUI Network Rail calls it 'Edinburgh' and (Abellio) ScotRail use
'Edinburgh Waverley' on destination boards but 'Edinburgh' in platform
announcements.
http://www.railsigns.uk/misc/edinb.jpg
That makes sense as it should be the same as the station
announcements.

I am sure I have seen/heard 'Edinburgh Waverley' so it may be
on-train. Will try to find out tomorrow.
Scott
2015-08-03 19:58:33 UTC
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On Sun, 02 Aug 2015 21:53:58 +0100, Scott
<***@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:

[snip]
Post by Scott
I am sure I have seen/heard 'Edinburgh Waverley' so it may be
on-train. Will try to find out tomorrow.
Station information (both displays and announcements) refer to
'Edinburgh'.

On train information (front of train, display within train and
announcements) refer to 'Edinburgh Waverley'.

Timetables refer to 'Edinburgh'.

On my route (Helensburgh to Edinburgh/Edinburgh Waverley) at least.

My theory is that Network Rail call it Edinburgh and (Abellio)
ScotRail call it Edinburgh Waverley.
Charles Ellson
2015-08-04 02:31:42 UTC
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On Mon, 03 Aug 2015 20:58:33 +0100, Scott
Post by Scott
On Sun, 02 Aug 2015 21:53:58 +0100, Scott
[snip]
Post by Scott
I am sure I have seen/heard 'Edinburgh Waverley' so it may be
on-train. Will try to find out tomorrow.
Station information (both displays and announcements) refer to
'Edinburgh'.
On train information (front of train, display within train and
announcements) refer to 'Edinburgh Waverley'.
Timetables refer to 'Edinburgh'.
On my route (Helensburgh to Edinburgh/Edinburgh Waverley) at least.
My theory is that Network Rail call it Edinburgh
<cough!>
https://www.networkrail.co.uk/edinburgh-waverley-station/departures-arrivals/
BUT
http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/stations_destinations/EDB.aspx
but again even they call it Edinburgh Waverley in some of their pages
:-
http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/stations_destinations/nonrail/Prisons.aspx

at a rough guess the main page describing EDB has been done by someone
"down south" but the other pages using the full name are derived from
more local input.
Post by Scott
and (Abellio)
ScotRail call it Edinburgh Waverley.
Christopher A. Lee
2015-08-02 17:57:24 UTC
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On Sun, 02 Aug 2015 16:58:45 +0100, Graeme Wall
Post by Graeme Wall
Post by Martin Coffee
Post by Tim Watts
Dumb question: ^ are those the same station? Or am I missing something...
Because the relatives have tickets to "Edinburgh" (from London) but I
can only find Edinburgh Waverley and Haymarket on the maps.
Or is this like London, where "Edinburgh" means "one of a random number
of stations withing the city radius".
Ta :)
Looking at brfares.com EDB is Waverley so that must be the proper name.
However I suspect most people still know it as Edinburgh Waverley.
I still think of other stations such as Bodmin Road by the name I've
always known them so I suspect it'll take time to lose Waverley from the
public's perception.
Probably never will for the locals, the Edinburgh prefix, like the
London prefix further south, was introduced to counter perceived
confusion in irregular travellers. As the locals are perfectly well
aware of where Waverley is they have no need to use the full name.
Remember the paricularly stupid, first "Mission Impossible" movie
where the helicopter chased the TGV into the "Channel tunnel".

The heroes landed in a helicopter near Tower Bridge and told a car (or
taxi) driver to take them to "the London train[?] station".
Michael Bell
2015-08-03 05:18:07 UTC
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Post by Martin Coffee
Post by Tim Watts
Dumb question: ^ are those the same station? Or am I missing something...
Because the relatives have tickets to "Edinburgh" (from London) but I
can only find Edinburgh Waverley and Haymarket on the maps.
Or is this like London, where "Edinburgh" means "one of a random number
of stations withing the city radius".
Ta :)
Looking at brfares.com EDB is Waverley so that must be the proper name.
However I suspect most people still know it as Edinburgh Waverley.
I still think of other stations such as Bodmin Road by the name I've
always known them so I suspect it'll take time to lose Waverley from the
public's perception.
And if we create a new station at Waterdale (junction of the M1 and
M25) will it be called simply "Waterdale" or maybe "Waterdale,
Elizabeth"? We have at least 3 "Victorias" still in use, and we should
have a station named after the Queen of our own time. And I think
people like longer names, they give confirmation that you have heard
aright.

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2015-08-03 05:47:21 UTC
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On Mon, 03 Aug 2015 06:18:07 +0100, Michael Bell
Post by Michael Bell
Post by Martin Coffee
Post by Tim Watts
Dumb question: ^ are those the same station? Or am I missing something...
Because the relatives have tickets to "Edinburgh" (from London) but I
can only find Edinburgh Waverley and Haymarket on the maps.
Or is this like London, where "Edinburgh" means "one of a random number
of stations withing the city radius".
Ta :)
Looking at brfares.com EDB is Waverley so that must be the proper name.
However I suspect most people still know it as Edinburgh Waverley.
I still think of other stations such as Bodmin Road by the name I've
always known them so I suspect it'll take time to lose Waverley from the
public's perception.
And if we create a new station at Waterdale
Waterdale ?
Post by Michael Bell
(junction of the M1 and M25)
Winch Hill Wood ?
Post by Michael Bell
will it be called simply "Waterdale" or maybe "Waterdale,
Elizabeth"? We have at least 3 "Victorias" still in use, and we should
have a station named after the Queen of our own time. And I think
people like longer names, they give confirmation that you have heard
aright.
Michael Bell
Charles Ellson
2015-08-03 05:52:46 UTC
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Post by Charles Ellson
On Mon, 03 Aug 2015 06:18:07 +0100, Michael Bell
Post by Michael Bell
Post by Martin Coffee
Post by Tim Watts
Dumb question: ^ are those the same station? Or am I missing something...
Because the relatives have tickets to "Edinburgh" (from London) but I
can only find Edinburgh Waverley and Haymarket on the maps.
Or is this like London, where "Edinburgh" means "one of a random number
of stations withing the city radius".
Ta :)
Looking at brfares.com EDB is Waverley so that must be the proper name.
However I suspect most people still know it as Edinburgh Waverley.
I still think of other stations such as Bodmin Road by the name I've
always known them so I suspect it'll take time to lose Waverley from the
public's perception.
And if we create a new station at Waterdale
Waterdale ?
A recycling site near Waterdell at the junction of the M1 and the
A405.
Post by Charles Ellson
Post by Michael Bell
(junction of the M1 and M25)
Winch Hill Wood ?
Post by Michael Bell
will it be called simply "Waterdale" or maybe "Waterdale,
Elizabeth"? We have at least 3 "Victorias" still in use, and we should
have a station named after the Queen of our own time. And I think
people like longer names, they give confirmation that you have heard
aright.
Michael Bell
Recliner
2015-08-03 05:53:09 UTC
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Post by Charles Ellson
On Mon, 03 Aug 2015 06:18:07 +0100, Michael Bell
Post by Michael Bell
Post by Martin Coffee
Post by Tim Watts
Dumb question: ^ are those the same station? Or am I missing something...
Because the relatives have tickets to "Edinburgh" (from London) but I
can only find Edinburgh Waverley and Haymarket on the maps.
Or is this like London, where "Edinburgh" means "one of a random number
of stations withing the city radius".
Ta :)
Looking at brfares.com EDB is Waverley so that must be the proper name.
However I suspect most people still know it as Edinburgh Waverley.
I still think of other stations such as Bodmin Road by the name I've
always known them so I suspect it'll take time to lose Waverley from the
public's perception.
And if we create a new station at Waterdale
Waterdale ?
It's one of the 23 stations on Michael's Ringby version of HS2.
Michael Bell
2015-08-03 07:59:58 UTC
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Post by Charles Ellson
On Mon, 03 Aug 2015 06:18:07 +0100, Michael Bell
Post by Michael Bell
Post by Martin Coffee
Post by Tim Watts
Dumb question: ^ are those the same station? Or am I missing something...
Because the relatives have tickets to "Edinburgh" (from London) but I
can only find Edinburgh Waverley and Haymarket on the maps.
Or is this like London, where "Edinburgh" means "one of a random number
of stations withing the city radius".
Ta :)
Looking at brfares.com EDB is Waverley so that must be the proper name.
However I suspect most people still know it as Edinburgh Waverley.
I still think of other stations such as Bodmin Road by the name I've
always known them so I suspect it'll take time to lose Waverley from the
public's perception.
And if we create a new station at Waterdale
Waterdale ?
Post by Michael Bell
(junction of the M1 and M25)
Winch Hill Wood ?
Post by Michael Bell
will it be called simply "Waterdale" or maybe "Waterdale,
Elizabeth"? We have at least 3 "Victorias" still in use, and we should
have a station named after the Queen of our own time. And I think
people like longer names, they give confirmation that you have heard
aright.
Michael Bell
I have my doubts about the right name for this as yet unnamed place.
Maybe "London Waterdale"?

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2015-08-03 09:05:38 UTC
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Post by Michael Bell
Post by Charles Ellson
On Mon, 03 Aug 2015 06:18:07 +0100, Michael Bell
Post by Michael Bell
Post by Martin Coffee
Post by Tim Watts
Dumb question: ^ are those the same station? Or am I missing something...
Because the relatives have tickets to "Edinburgh" (from London) but I
can only find Edinburgh Waverley and Haymarket on the maps.
Or is this like London, where "Edinburgh" means "one of a random number
of stations withing the city radius".
Ta :)
Looking at brfares.com EDB is Waverley so that must be the proper name.
However I suspect most people still know it as Edinburgh Waverley.
I still think of other stations such as Bodmin Road by the name I've
always known them so I suspect it'll take time to lose Waverley from the
public's perception.
And if we create a new station at Waterdale
Waterdale ?
Post by Michael Bell
(junction of the M1 and M25)
Winch Hill Wood ?
Post by Michael Bell
will it be called simply "Waterdale" or maybe "Waterdale,
Elizabeth"? We have at least 3 "Victorias" still in use, and we should
have a station named after the Queen of our own time. And I think
people like longer names, they give confirmation that you have heard
aright.
Michael Bell
I have my doubts about the right name for this as yet unnamed place.
Maybe "London Waterdale"?
Middlesbrough South?
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Anna Noyd-Dryver
2015-08-03 16:06:48 UTC
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Post by Graeme Wall
Post by Michael Bell
I have my doubts about the right name for this as yet unnamed place.
Maybe "London Waterdale"?
Middlesbrough South?
Bell Interchange Parkway


Anna Noyd-Dryver
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2015-08-03 17:15:36 UTC
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Post by Anna Noyd-Dryver
Post by Graeme Wall
Middlesbrough South?
Bell Interchange Parkway
If it's a terminus, Bell End.

Owain
Charles Ellson
2015-08-03 15:54:54 UTC
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On Mon, 03 Aug 2015 08:59:58 +0100, Michael Bell
Post by Michael Bell
Post by Charles Ellson
On Mon, 03 Aug 2015 06:18:07 +0100, Michael Bell
Post by Michael Bell
Post by Martin Coffee
Post by Tim Watts
Dumb question: ^ are those the same station? Or am I missing something...
Because the relatives have tickets to "Edinburgh" (from London) but I
can only find Edinburgh Waverley and Haymarket on the maps.
Or is this like London, where "Edinburgh" means "one of a random number
of stations withing the city radius".
Ta :)
Looking at brfares.com EDB is Waverley so that must be the proper name.
However I suspect most people still know it as Edinburgh Waverley.
I still think of other stations such as Bodmin Road by the name I've
always known them so I suspect it'll take time to lose Waverley from the
public's perception.
And if we create a new station at Waterdale
Waterdale ?
Post by Michael Bell
(junction of the M1 and M25)
Winch Hill Wood ?
Post by Michael Bell
will it be called simply "Waterdale" or maybe "Waterdale,
Elizabeth"? We have at least 3 "Victorias" still in use, and we should
have a station named after the Queen of our own time. And I think
people like longer names, they give confirmation that you have heard
aright.
Michael Bell
I have my doubts about the right name for this as yet unnamed place.
Maybe "London Waterdale"?
Hemel Hempstead South would be more accurate.
Recliner
2015-08-03 05:48:14 UTC
Permalink
Post by Michael Bell
Post by Martin Coffee
Post by Tim Watts
Dumb question: ^ are those the same station? Or am I missing something...
Because the relatives have tickets to "Edinburgh" (from London) but I
can only find Edinburgh Waverley and Haymarket on the maps.
Or is this like London, where "Edinburgh" means "one of a random number
of stations withing the city radius".
Ta :)
Looking at brfares.com EDB is Waverley so that must be the proper name.
However I suspect most people still know it as Edinburgh Waverley.
I still think of other stations such as Bodmin Road by the name I've
always known them so I suspect it'll take time to lose Waverley from the
public's perception.
And if we create a new station at Waterdale (junction of the M1 and
M25) will it be called simply "Waterdale" or maybe "Waterdale,
Elizabeth"?
It's your station, on your private railway, so you can call it whatever you
like.
Post by Michael Bell
We have at least 3 "Victorias" still in use, and we should
have a station named after the Queen of our own time. And I think
people like longer names, they give confirmation that you have heard
aright.
It seems to be airport terminals in our era that are named after the Queen.
Charles Ellson
2015-08-03 15:58:00 UTC
Permalink
On Mon, 3 Aug 2015 05:48:14 +0000 (UTC), Recliner
Post by Recliner
Post by Michael Bell
Post by Martin Coffee
Post by Tim Watts
Dumb question: ^ are those the same station? Or am I missing something...
Because the relatives have tickets to "Edinburgh" (from London) but I
can only find Edinburgh Waverley and Haymarket on the maps.
Or is this like London, where "Edinburgh" means "one of a random number
of stations withing the city radius".
Ta :)
Looking at brfares.com EDB is Waverley so that must be the proper name.
However I suspect most people still know it as Edinburgh Waverley.
I still think of other stations such as Bodmin Road by the name I've
always known them so I suspect it'll take time to lose Waverley from the
public's perception.
And if we create a new station at Waterdale (junction of the M1 and
M25) will it be called simply "Waterdale" or maybe "Waterdale,
Elizabeth"?
It's your station, on your private railway, so you can call it whatever you
like.
Post by Michael Bell
We have at least 3 "Victorias" still in use, and we should
have a station named after the Queen of our own time. And I think
people like longer names, they give confirmation that you have heard
aright.
It seems to be airport terminals in our era that are named after the Queen.
And hospitals. ;-) ><
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