Discussion:
Bristol to Waterloo
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Mark Annand
2004-05-24 19:10:18 UTC
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Anyone here used the new SWT service yet?
M J Forbes
2004-05-24 20:22:58 UTC
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Post by Mark Annand
Anyone here used the new SWT service yet?
Nope, but I can only assume it's more or less identical to the old
Wessex/Arriva service except that -

1) You'll be on a 159 or 170 instead of a 158 (or if very unlucky, a 150)
2) It stops at Basingstoke and Salisbury.
3) It's run by SWT.

Anyone else have any more to offer?
The Grand Duchess
2004-05-24 20:35:37 UTC
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Its currently a 3 car 159 (170's not route cleared as yet)

The Bristol service's are attached/Detached to current WOE line services
at salisbury
Peter Masson
2004-05-24 21:18:36 UTC
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Post by The Grand Duchess
The Bristol service's are attached/Detached to current WOE line services
at salisbury
Some quite complex working -
Mondays to Fridays the 1332 from Plymouth attaches at Salisbury to the 1528
Bristol to Waterloo.
Sundays the 1003 from Waterloo attaches to the 1058 Southampton to Paignton
at Salisbury, and also detaches a portion for Bristol.
Peter
M J Forbes
2004-05-24 23:07:24 UTC
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Post by The Grand Duchess
Its currently a 3 car 159 (170's not route cleared as yet)
Strange then, that the CWN reports the 0700 SAL-BTM (Mon-Fri, 1V09), and the
return 0846 BTM-WAT (Mon-Fri 1O22 to SAL, 1L22 from SAL) as booked for a
class 170 .....

Matt. (in that place with the Cathedral with a big bent spire)
Mark Annand
2004-05-24 21:42:42 UTC
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Post by M J Forbes
Nope, but I can only assume it's more or less identical to the old
Wessex/Arriva service except that -
1) You'll be on a 159 or 170 instead of a 158 (or if very unlucky, a 150)
2) It stops at Basingstoke and Salisbury.
3) It's run by SWT.
Anyone else have any more to offer?
Well it has more stops than the one it replaced - Westbury, Salisbury
and Andover. The trains have a first class section, which must be a bit
of a novelty on the Salisbury to Bath section. The weekday London
evening departure is brought forward fifteen or so minutes to 6pm ish,
which will suit some. I don't think it's advance booking only east of
Bath any more either - are the trains three carriages?

Despite the extra stops it's not timetabled to be hugely slower - the
Wales and West service was decelerated after its initial few years as at
first it did Bath to Waterloo in about 2 hours 10 minutes.
Dean Adams
2004-05-24 21:51:17 UTC
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Yes Mark, today all services were 159 3 car west of salisbury 6/9 east with
first class accomodation, not declassified and there is no fare on this
route for first, and there won't be this year. First class conveyance is at
the guard's discretion.

Quicker west of Salisbury and as you say a few more stops including
Salisbury where the couling/decoupling takes place. Interesting as Peter
pointed out that the Sunday service joining at Salisbury is three services
coming together. I would imagine that the way things are going with Wessex
that SWT will do all they can to win over customers and maybe in 2005 when
Wessex is again up for renewal, SWT come along and sweep up the most
profitable part of the whole PMH-BRI route. On the subject of Wessex,
apparently a lot of stock is waiting down at Canton?Cardiff for repair - and
I hear a *lot* which accounts for the very short formations and overcrowding
on their main line. I have also heard that they are in dispute with Arriva
(formerly W&B their sister but now detached) over the maintenance agreement
and that Arriva are currently refusing any repairs leaving Wessex with quite
a problem!

An interesting time down here and we will have to wait and see if SWT can
pull it off.

D

D
Post by Mark Annand
Post by M J Forbes
Nope, but I can only assume it's more or less identical to the old
Wessex/Arriva service except that -
1) You'll be on a 159 or 170 instead of a 158 (or if very unlucky, a 150)
2) It stops at Basingstoke and Salisbury.
3) It's run by SWT.
Anyone else have any more to offer?
Well it has more stops than the one it replaced - Westbury, Salisbury
and Andover. The trains have a first class section, which must be a bit
of a novelty on the Salisbury to Bath section. The weekday London
evening departure is brought forward fifteen or so minutes to 6pm ish,
which will suit some. I don't think it's advance booking only east of
Bath any more either - are the trains three carriages?
Despite the extra stops it's not timetabled to be hugely slower - the
Wales and West service was decelerated after its initial few years as at
first it did Bath to Waterloo in about 2 hours 10 minutes.
Dean Adams
2004-05-24 21:43:52 UTC
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Hi Mark

Rode this service today, and in comparison to the Arriva / Wessex offering I
considered this 100% better, the trains have been cleaned this year,
actually they had been cleaned overnight, there was a helpful guard, in fact
another two managers surveying and a seat too - all the way! Look forward
to SWT bringing on the other two services on 11 December as well. Some of
the other poster s are quite correct there are some complex workings but SWT
seem to have this more or less down to the T at Salisbury.

D
Post by Mark Annand
Anyone here used the new SWT service yet?
d405
2004-05-24 22:08:46 UTC
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Post by Dean Adams
Look forward
to SWT bringing on the other two services on 11 December as well.
Can you elaborate on the "other two services"?
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D405
Stoke Gifford
Mark Annand
2004-06-05 15:41:03 UTC
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Post by d405
Post by Dean Adams
Look forward
to SWT bringing on the other two services on 11 December as well.
Can you elaborate on the "other two services"?
I went to a West Wiltshire rail user group meeting in Bradford (on Avon)
last week - they had SWT managing director talking on several things,
including the new Bristol trains. By the time questions were invited
from the floor, the room was very short of oxygen, thankfully windows
were opened, but the following may well be only mildly accurate. :-)

It was revealing - basically the Waterloo service, being another bright
idea from Chris Gibb that worked, wasn't in anyone's passenger service
obligation. The trains turned into a real embarrassment when in
rearranging Waterloo, the SRA wanted to kill them, and then found that,
awkwardly for everyone, demand was buoyant, especially east of Bristol.
Also, of course, those trains went to *London* ...

When when news of their demise escaped, letters started to land on
everyone's desks, 3000 signature petitions started flying about even
from West Wiltshire: so the SRA bowed to political pressure and
requested that SWT look at the service and make some proposals.

SWT looked at it, liked what they saw, and came up with a number of
options, including several that exceeded what was then on offer.
However, the SRA, now even more cash-strapped, bit at the very minimum
cost option, for which SWT still needed a train or two - the SRA said
that they'd transfer some trains from Midland Mainline in support.

Well, that's not happened ... and SWT has had to find a train to provide
the less than bare minimum replacement that it's put in place. Moreover,
the contractual framework that backs the service is still rather
vapourous, having been completely non-existant as late as April this year.

I think the MD said that SWT have found its single train,
basically by taking advantage of better than expected maintenance
needs on some of its existing stuff, and is running a twice a day
service to Bristol till December, when it will either:

a)Cease it altogether - unlikely, as the existing one is already showing
signs of being popular, and more letters would fly, and they'd be asked
to continue.

b)Continue the service as it is for the time being.

c)Increase it in frequency to five a day - SWT's original minimum viable
plan, and they'd be keen to do this - but someone will need to find the
rolling stock, and it sounds as though the original stuff has gone to
Central Trains.

d)If there was the funding, they'd very much like to develop things in a
way in which Bristol would see about 9 trains a day to Waterloo with
some extended to Cardiff, too.

e)Also, rolling about on the deck is the RPCs' proposal for the Cardiff
route to the south coast - SWT might envisage meeting that with a
service pattern involving pairs of trains running together between
Cardiff and Salisbury, where they split, one half running to Waterloo
and the other to the coast.

The MD, somewhat impressed at the turnout his visit had produced pretty
much emphasised that further lobbying and letter writing in support of
the 'New' service would be a very good idea ...

He also spoke a little about how the Bristol service fits into the rest
of the SWT network, which led on to an outline of their timetable
changes for 2005, which involve half hourly clockface trains for
Salisbury, hourly clockface as far west as Yeovil Junction, and that
they'd take the opportunity to mend Salisbury. Oh, and a cunning colour
code for short, medium and long distance trains.

With regards to Salisbury, one of his assistants quite candidly stated
that many Salisbury connections had been deliberately broken some years
ago, as passengers from the Bristol direction were delaying London bound
trains on tight cross platform connections - and the single line
sections on the Exeter route were mentioned more than once as a real
obstacle to sane timetabling, and also that demand there was rather more
buoyant than can be met with the available line capacity - which isn't
right for timetabling anyway. The meeting eventually closed after
questions from the floor which left no doubt that the crap connections
at Salisbury had by no means gone unnoticed.

Suppressing the memory of the alarming pink train with a loco at each
end seen earlier on at Bradford, I walked to Avoncliff and its halt,
from where there was no sign of the planet Venus, fast approaching a
very inferior conjunction indeed, and where the last train of the day
still managed to attract two passengers.

The bare minimum offering put together at short notice from SWT is
enough to divert some of the political flak, but it's only a partial
replacement for the previous service, even if you don't live in Wales,
though SWT are motivated to extend them to Cardiff if they can find the
resources. There are the stops and end to end timings too. It's almost
as though planners for the original trains looked at the cross-London
times from Paddington and offered something which, at 2 hours 10 minutes
from say Bath to Waterloo, was close to being competitive in time to
Waterloo with the Paddington route from Bristol.

Hardly representative, but the spring bank holiday monday afternoon up
SWT train left Bath with 81 on board, lost eight or so and gained about
a dozen at Bradford.

Speaking of dozens, I must have made dozens of journeys on the Wales and
West services - I can still remember the high morale of the train crews
in the first year of operation, a sense that here was the privatised
railway doing the opposite of expectation and expanding the network,
offering new services that were immediately in demand, the staff were
either genuinely pleased with this or were good actors.

On my short outing on the SWT variety the other day, the staff seemed to
have been breathing the same air ...

Mark
Paul Harley
2004-06-05 16:22:53 UTC
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On Sat, 05 Jun 2004 16:41:03 +0100, Mark Annand
Post by Mark Annand
I went to a West Wiltshire rail user group meeting in Bradford (on Avon)
last week - they had SWT managing director talking on several things,
including the new Bristol trains. By the time questions were invited
from the floor, the room was very short of oxygen, thankfully windows
were opened, but the following may well be only mildly accurate. :-)
Thanks for posting it. I found it very interesting.
Post by Mark Annand
It was revealing - basically the Waterloo service, being another bright
idea from Chris Gibb that worked, wasn't in anyone's passenger service
obligation. The trains turned into a real embarrassment when in
rearranging Waterloo, the SRA wanted to kill them, and then found that,
awkwardly for everyone, demand was buoyant, especially east of Bristol.
Also, of course, those trains went to *London* ...
When when news of their demise escaped, letters started to land on
everyone's desks, 3000 signature petitions started flying about even
from West Wiltshire: so the SRA bowed to political pressure and
requested that SWT look at the service and make some proposals.
The suggestion that the service would be discontinued certainly
stirred up a hornet's nest. M.P.s, Welsh Assembly Members, Town
Mayors, Councillors and all sorts got drawn into the debate.
Post by Mark Annand
SWT looked at it, liked what they saw, and came up with a number of
options, including several that exceeded what was then on offer.
However, the SRA, now even more cash-strapped, bit at the very minimum
cost option, for which SWT still needed a train or two - the SRA said
that they'd transfer some trains from Midland Mainline in support.
Well, that's not happened ... and SWT has had to find a train to provide
the less than bare minimum replacement that it's put in place. Moreover,
the contractual framework that backs the service is still rather
vapourous, having been completely non-existant as late as April this year.
Hmmm. Why not hire a 158 from ATW, with ATW manning it
Carmarthen/Fishguard Harbour<>Cardiff, a Wessex Trains crew taking it
Cardiff<>Salisbury and an SWT crew Salisbury<>Waterloo?
Post by Mark Annand
I think the MD said that SWT have found its single train,
basically by taking advantage of better than expected maintenance
needs on some of its existing stuff, and is running a twice a day
a)Cease it altogether - unlikely, as the existing one is already showing
signs of being popular, and more letters would fly, and they'd be asked
to continue.
I agree that this is unlikely. All hell would break loose....!
Post by Mark Annand
b)Continue the service as it is for the time being.
Most likely outcome. The contractural side needs to be sorted ASAP,
though.
Post by Mark Annand
c)Increase it in frequency to five a day - SWT's original minimum viable
plan, and they'd be keen to do this - but someone will need to find the
rolling stock, and it sounds as though the original stuff has gone to
Central Trains.
Well, as ATW gets more 175s there should be a few "spare" 158s....!
Post by Mark Annand
d)If there was the funding, they'd very much like to develop things in a
way in which Bristol would see about 9 trains a day to Waterloo with
some extended to Cardiff, too.
Wow! That would suit me! Although there are connections at BTM
to/from Cardiff, people with lots of luggage (e.g. heading to/from
Eurostar) would appreciate a through service.
Post by Mark Annand
e)Also, rolling about on the deck is the RPCs' proposal for the Cardiff
route to the south coast - SWT might envisage meeting that with a
service pattern involving pairs of trains running together between
Cardiff and Salisbury, where they split, one half running to Waterloo
and the other to the coast.
That would kinda make sense. The whole of Wessex doesn't have to go
into the Greater Western franchise in 2006. Bristol<>Weymouth is
another possible acquistion for SWT.
Post by Mark Annand
The MD, somewhat impressed at the turnout his visit had produced pretty
much emphasised that further lobbying and letter writing in support of
the 'New' service would be a very good idea ...
Hint taken. Where's that mailing list......? <g>
Post by Mark Annand
He also spoke a little about how the Bristol service fits into the rest
of the SWT network, which led on to an outline of their timetable
changes for 2005, which involve half hourly clockface trains for
Salisbury, hourly clockface as far west as Yeovil Junction, and that
they'd take the opportunity to mend Salisbury. Oh, and a cunning colour
code for short, medium and long distance trains.
Is this related to the livery differences between Classes 450 and 444?
Post by Mark Annand
With regards to Salisbury, one of his assistants quite candidly stated
that many Salisbury connections had been deliberately broken some years
ago, as passengers from the Bristol direction were delaying London bound
trains on tight cross platform connections - and the single line
sections on the Exeter route were mentioned more than once as a real
obstacle to sane timetabling, and also that demand there was rather more
buoyant than can be met with the available line capacity - which isn't
right for timetabling anyway. The meeting eventually closed after
questions from the floor which left no doubt that the crap connections
at Salisbury had by no means gone unnoticed.
The Waterloo-Exeter line has certainly been a success story in recent
years. It's a pity SWT weren't given a long enough franchise to "sort
it out".
Post by Mark Annand
The bare minimum offering put together at short notice from SWT is
enough to divert some of the political flak, but it's only a partial
replacement for the previous service, even if you don't live in Wales,
though SWT are motivated to extend them to Cardiff if they can find the
resources. There are the stops and end to end timings too. It's almost
as though planners for the original trains looked at the cross-London
times from Paddington and offered something which, at 2 hours 10 minutes
from say Bath to Waterloo, was close to being competitive in time to
Waterloo with the Paddington route from Bristol.
They also looked at the Eurostar market and the (then) bouyant
forecasts of passenger volumes.
Post by Mark Annand
Hardly representative, but the spring bank holiday monday afternoon up
SWT train left Bath with 81 on board, lost eight or so and gained about
a dozen at Bradford.
The weekday morning up train normally picked up 20-25 at BOA.
Post by Mark Annand
Speaking of dozens, I must have made dozens of journeys on the Wales and
West services - I can still remember the high morale of the train crews
in the first year of operation, a sense that here was the privatised
railway doing the opposite of expectation and expanding the network,
offering new services that were immediately in demand, the staff were
either genuinely pleased with this or were good actors.
On my short outing on the SWT variety the other day, the staff seemed to
have been breathing the same air ...
....but were they doing announcements in English and French? One
certainly had a "bon voyage" during the first year or two of the W&W
operation! ;-)

Paul Harley
Chris Pelling
2004-06-05 23:56:56 UTC
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Post by Paul Harley
On Sat, 05 Jun 2004 16:41:03 +0100, Mark Annand
Hmmm. Why not hire a 158 from ATW, with ATW manning it
Carmarthen/Fishguard Harbour<>Cardiff, a Wessex Trains crew taking it
Cardiff<>Salisbury and an SWT crew Salisbury<>Waterloo?
Can't happen - Salisbury and Waterloo crews don't know 158s.


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1577+2260
2004-06-06 00:37:35 UTC
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On Sun, 6 Jun 2004 00:56:56 +0100, "Chris Pelling"
Post by Chris Pelling
Post by Paul Harley
On Sat, 05 Jun 2004 16:41:03 +0100, Mark Annand
Hmmm. Why not hire a 158 from ATW, with ATW manning it
Carmarthen/Fishguard Harbour<>Cardiff, a Wessex Trains crew taking it
Cardiff<>Salisbury and an SWT crew Salisbury<>Waterloo?
Can't happen - Salisbury and Waterloo crews don't know 158s.
A few years ago they didn't know 170s, but 170s arrived... if someone
decided that the above service were worth running, couldn't they train
on 158s?
r***@NOSPAMbtinternet.com
2004-06-06 02:20:10 UTC
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On Sun, 6 Jun 2004 00:56:56 +0100, "Chris Pelling"
Post by Chris Pelling
Post by Paul Harley
On Sat, 05 Jun 2004 16:41:03 +0100, Mark Annand
Hmmm. Why not hire a 158 from ATW, with ATW manning it
Carmarthen/Fishguard Harbour<>Cardiff, a Wessex Trains crew taking it
Cardiff<>Salisbury and an SWT crew Salisbury<>Waterloo?
Can't happen - Salisbury and Waterloo crews don't know 158s.
Rubbish, 158s are virtually identical to 159s and the 'conversion'
course is half a day - hardly too onerous!!

Wessex crews 'don't know' 159s....but manage to operate the Penzance
to Exeter portion of the Sat & Sun Waterloo / Penzance services on
behalf of SWT without too much of a problem.
Chris Pelling
2004-06-06 23:06:55 UTC
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Wrong - Penzance crews, who work the WAT-PNZ on a Sat from EXD and back on a
Sun had their half day conversion course, so they do sign 159s.

Salisbury SWT crews don't sign 158s (apart from a few who have transferred
in or who knew them pre privatization) as they have never been
sub-contracted to work other companies' services, apart from pilot duties.
If they had a half day conversion course, then yes, they could drive them. I
agree, it isn't long, but with over 100 drivers to convert without any
booked work, it probably won't happen until such a need arises.

Hope this helps,
Chris...
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On Sun, 6 Jun 2004 00:56:56 +0100, "Chris Pelling"
Post by Chris Pelling
Post by Paul Harley
On Sat, 05 Jun 2004 16:41:03 +0100, Mark Annand
Hmmm. Why not hire a 158 from ATW, with ATW manning it
Carmarthen/Fishguard Harbour<>Cardiff, a Wessex Trains crew taking it
Cardiff<>Salisbury and an SWT crew Salisbury<>Waterloo?
Can't happen - Salisbury and Waterloo crews don't know 158s.
Rubbish, 158s are virtually identical to 159s and the 'conversion'
course is half a day - hardly too onerous!!
Wessex crews 'don't know' 159s....but manage to operate the Penzance
to Exeter portion of the Sat & Sun Waterloo / Penzance services on
behalf of SWT without too much of a problem.
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Mark Annand
2004-06-11 17:51:13 UTC
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The Wales and West services tended to stop at Wimbledon during the
tennis and there was a bit of discussion as to whether the SWT Bristol
services could do the same. SWT were looking into this one ...
Paul Harley
2004-06-11 19:20:09 UTC
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On Fri, 11 Jun 2004 18:51:13 +0100, Mark Annand
Post by Mark Annand
The Wales and West services tended to stop at Wimbledon during the
tennis and there was a bit of discussion as to whether the SWT Bristol
services could do the same. SWT were looking into this one ...
Yes, the Wimbledon stops were an annual, rather peculiar feature of
the service (perhaps Chris Gibb was a tennis fan?). I thought it was
a rather useful stop, as it gave access to/from Croydon Tramlink, the
District line, local buses plus SWT & Thameslink services. When I
asked if it could be made a permanent stop, the reply was "Railtrack
would refuse as it would use up too much capacity on the fast lines".
However, this problem always magically disappeared during Wimbledon
tennis week!

One evening, the (then) 19:17 Waterloo-Carmarthen made a scheduled
call at Wimbeldon for people who had been to the tennis and then
another at Surbiton to pick up people who had gone to the Hampton
Court flower show (crossing from fast to slow and then back again to
make the station stop). I recall several people getting on carrying
potted plants, as it was the last day of the show and the exhibitors
were selling off their displays! With the two extra stops, we were
eight mins late at Woking but on time when we reached Warminster!

Paul Harley
Peter Beale
2004-06-11 21:46:00 UTC
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Post by Mark Annand
The Wales and West services tended to stop at Wimbledon during the
tennis and there was a bit of discussion as to whether the SWT
Bristol services could do the same. SWT were looking into this one ...
I don't see why not - the Salisbury ones do.
--
Peter Beale
Dean Adams
2004-06-06 15:44:06 UTC
Permalink
Thank you very much mark, I found this really interesting. I tried to make
the meting but my WSX train was cancelled - up with the SWT services!

D
Post by Mark Annand
Post by d405
Post by Dean Adams
Look forward
to SWT bringing on the other two services on 11 December as well.
Can you elaborate on the "other two services"?
I went to a West Wiltshire rail user group meeting in Bradford (on Avon)
last week - they had SWT managing director talking on several things,
including the new Bristol trains. By the time questions were invited
from the floor, the room was very short of oxygen, thankfully windows
were opened, but the following may well be only mildly accurate. :-)
It was revealing - basically the Waterloo service, being another bright
idea from Chris Gibb that worked, wasn't in anyone's passenger service
obligation. The trains turned into a real embarrassment when in
rearranging Waterloo, the SRA wanted to kill them, and then found that,
awkwardly for everyone, demand was buoyant, especially east of Bristol.
Also, of course, those trains went to *London* ...
When when news of their demise escaped, letters started to land on
everyone's desks, 3000 signature petitions started flying about even
from West Wiltshire: so the SRA bowed to political pressure and
requested that SWT look at the service and make some proposals.
SWT looked at it, liked what they saw, and came up with a number of
options, including several that exceeded what was then on offer.
However, the SRA, now even more cash-strapped, bit at the very minimum
cost option, for which SWT still needed a train or two - the SRA said
that they'd transfer some trains from Midland Mainline in support.
Well, that's not happened ... and SWT has had to find a train to provide
the less than bare minimum replacement that it's put in place. Moreover,
the contractual framework that backs the service is still rather
vapourous, having been completely non-existant as late as April this year.
I think the MD said that SWT have found its single train,
basically by taking advantage of better than expected maintenance
needs on some of its existing stuff, and is running a twice a day
a)Cease it altogether - unlikely, as the existing one is already showing
signs of being popular, and more letters would fly, and they'd be asked
to continue.
b)Continue the service as it is for the time being.
c)Increase it in frequency to five a day - SWT's original minimum viable
plan, and they'd be keen to do this - but someone will need to find the
rolling stock, and it sounds as though the original stuff has gone to
Central Trains.
d)If there was the funding, they'd very much like to develop things in a
way in which Bristol would see about 9 trains a day to Waterloo with
some extended to Cardiff, too.
e)Also, rolling about on the deck is the RPCs' proposal for the Cardiff
route to the south coast - SWT might envisage meeting that with a
service pattern involving pairs of trains running together between
Cardiff and Salisbury, where they split, one half running to Waterloo
and the other to the coast.
The MD, somewhat impressed at the turnout his visit had produced pretty
much emphasised that further lobbying and letter writing in support of
the 'New' service would be a very good idea ...
He also spoke a little about how the Bristol service fits into the rest
of the SWT network, which led on to an outline of their timetable
changes for 2005, which involve half hourly clockface trains for
Salisbury, hourly clockface as far west as Yeovil Junction, and that
they'd take the opportunity to mend Salisbury. Oh, and a cunning colour
code for short, medium and long distance trains.
With regards to Salisbury, one of his assistants quite candidly stated
that many Salisbury connections had been deliberately broken some years
ago, as passengers from the Bristol direction were delaying London bound
trains on tight cross platform connections - and the single line
sections on the Exeter route were mentioned more than once as a real
obstacle to sane timetabling, and also that demand there was rather more
buoyant than can be met with the available line capacity - which isn't
right for timetabling anyway. The meeting eventually closed after
questions from the floor which left no doubt that the crap connections
at Salisbury had by no means gone unnoticed.
Suppressing the memory of the alarming pink train with a loco at each
end seen earlier on at Bradford, I walked to Avoncliff and its halt,
from where there was no sign of the planet Venus, fast approaching a
very inferior conjunction indeed, and where the last train of the day
still managed to attract two passengers.
The bare minimum offering put together at short notice from SWT is
enough to divert some of the political flak, but it's only a partial
replacement for the previous service, even if you don't live in Wales,
though SWT are motivated to extend them to Cardiff if they can find the
resources. There are the stops and end to end timings too. It's almost
as though planners for the original trains looked at the cross-London
times from Paddington and offered something which, at 2 hours 10 minutes
from say Bath to Waterloo, was close to being competitive in time to
Waterloo with the Paddington route from Bristol.
Hardly representative, but the spring bank holiday monday afternoon up
SWT train left Bath with 81 on board, lost eight or so and gained about
a dozen at Bradford.
Speaking of dozens, I must have made dozens of journeys on the Wales and
West services - I can still remember the high morale of the train crews
in the first year of operation, a sense that here was the privatised
railway doing the opposite of expectation and expanding the network,
offering new services that were immediately in demand, the staff were
either genuinely pleased with this or were good actors.
On my short outing on the SWT variety the other day, the staff seemed to
have been breathing the same air ...
Mark
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