Real-time trip report - Edinburgh-Ely

[Sam Wilson]

We’re going to Ely for a couple of days to visit family. Sorry Roland, but
I won’t have time to meet up.

The 08.53 bus is late, but we can tell that from the app. It arrives at
09.02 and drops us at the Mound at 09.22. Quick walk to the station and
there’s plenty of time to peruse the brunch options before the 10.00, 1E10.
We choose Pret.

The plaform isn’t on the displays yet so I check RTT which says p9. I look
up from my phone to see a crowd of people coming towards me - the display
has just said platform 9 and everyone has started to head for the
escalator.

We’re in G21,22, rear facing airlines but with great access to the buffet.
The seats are firm but well shaped and I quite like them but I can
understand why some people would find them uncomfortable.

We leave bang on time but slow down on the farther outskirts of Dunbar (we
didn’t stop). Looking at RTT there’s a 7 minutes late flask train from
Carlisle to Torness in front of us. Sure enough we pass a train of two
flask wagons and two class 68s in the siding at Torness. This must be the
most overpowered train on the network! The siding is single ended, rather
than being a loop, so the train has to reverse into it, but it does have a
run-around loop so the train doesn’t have to block the main line for too
long to run around on the return trip.

It’s a beautiful morning and the views across to Fife, along the coast from
Burnmouth and across the Tweed at Berwick are breathtaking.

Alnmouth, 6 minutes late and an apology on the PA, giving the cause as
“following a late running train between Edinburgh and Dunbar”, but we’ve
not been this late earlier in the journey. We did go from 1 down at
Oxwellmains to 3 or 4 minutes late most of the rest of the way to Alnmouth.
RTT has us 5 down there but 6 down now at Widdrington. I guess being one
late but having to slow means losing more time by having to regain line
speed - trains don’t accelerate like cars.

Passed Heaton 5 late. We have a 4 minute stop booked here, so perhaps
we’ll regain a couple here, though we do have a crew change here. Weather
still gorgeous. Arrive 11.31. We’re supposed to have left at 11.29. I
note the platform displays are now just about as good as many on the
continent. I’m thinking especially of the SNCF ones that show the
formation of TGVs, especially important when there are double sets with no
passenger connection between them. The ones here show the numbered zones
on the platform, where each coach will stop and how full each coach is.

Leave Ncl 11.34 1/2. We’re still exactly 5 minutes late. The sun shines
on all 7 bridges.

Only 2.5 minutes late approaching Darlington, but 5 minutes late leaving.
We have a 28 minute connection at Peterborough so I’m not nervous at all.

We remain 4 or 5 minutes down until just short of York, near the end of the
extensive sidings to the north of York station. There’s an announcement
saying that there had been signalling problems between Thirsk and York and
while they were now fixed there was a resulting backlog, and we are in a
queue to get into the station. We move again about 12.40, slow again near
the Siemens base and the NRM, and arrive in p3 at 12.45, 16 minutes late.
We leave at 12.48. I’m not nervous at all.

Having been at York several times recently it struck me, given the position
of the stop boards, that p3 looks like it could handle two 9 car Azumas.
One of them would have to be coming from Scarborough, of course.

The sky has hazed over a bit, but the light is still bright. There are
places in the vale of York where a lot of rain has fallen - there are wide
flooded fields with hedgerows sticking out of the water. Some of the trees
are still in their autumn colours.

The train has filled up and the WiFi is getting slower, so I’ll post this
and follow up with the rest of the journey later.

Sam

[Roland Perry]

Post by Sam Wilson
We’re going to Ely for a couple of days to visit family. Sorry Roland, but
I won’t have time to meet up.

That's OK; I'm living in Cambridge at the moment, anyway. And today in
Euston at a conference.

Post by Sam Wilson
The 08.53 bus is late, but we can tell that from the app. It arrives at
09.02 and drops us at the Mound at 09.22. Quick walk to the station and
there’s plenty of time to peruse the brunch options before the 10.00, 1E10.
We choose Pret.
The plaform isn’t on the displays yet so I check RTT which says p9. I look
up from my phone to see a crowd of people coming towards me - the display
has just said platform 9 and everyone has started to head for the
escalator.
We’re in G21,22, rear facing airlines but with great access to the buffet.
The seats are firm but well shaped and I quite like them but I can
understand why some people would find them uncomfortable.
We leave bang on time but slow down on the farther outskirts of Dunbar (we
didn’t stop). Looking at RTT there’s a 7 minutes late flask train from
Carlisle to Torness in front of us. Sure enough we pass a train of two
flask wagons and two class 68s in the siding at Torness. This must be the
most overpowered train on the network! The siding is single ended, rather
than being a loop, so the train has to reverse into it, but it does have a
run-around loop so the train doesn’t have to block the main line for too
long to run around on the return trip.
It’s a beautiful morning and the views across to Fife, along the coast from
Burnmouth and across the Tweed at Berwick are breathtaking.
Alnmouth, 6 minutes late and an apology on the PA, giving the cause as
“following a late running train between Edinburgh and Dunbar”, but we’ve
not been this late earlier in the journey. We did go from 1 down at
Oxwellmains to 3 or 4 minutes late most of the rest of the way to Alnmouth.
RTT has us 5 down there but 6 down now at Widdrington. I guess being one
late but having to slow means losing more time by having to regain line
speed - trains don’t accelerate like cars.
Passed Heaton 5 late. We have a 4 minute stop booked here, so perhaps
we’ll regain a couple here, though we do have a crew change here. Weather
still gorgeous. Arrive 11.31. We’re supposed to have left at 11.29. I
note the platform displays are now just about as good as many on the
continent. I’m thinking especially of the SNCF ones that show the
formation of TGVs, especially important when there are double sets with no
passenger connection between them. The ones here show the numbered zones
on the platform, where each coach will stop and how full each coach is.
Leave Ncl 11.34 1/2. We’re still exactly 5 minutes late. The sun shines
on all 7 bridges.
Only 2.5 minutes late approaching Darlington, but 5 minutes late leaving.
We have a 28 minute connection at Peterborough so I’m not nervous at all.
We remain 4 or 5 minutes down until just short of York, near the end of the
extensive sidings to the north of York station. There’s an announcement
saying that there had been signalling problems between Thirsk and York and
while they were now fixed there was a resulting backlog, and we are in a
queue to get into the station. We move again about 12.40, slow again near
the Siemens base and the NRM, and arrive in p3 at 12.45, 16 minutes late.
We leave at 12.48. I’m not nervous at all.
Having been at York several times recently it struck me, given the position
of the stop boards, that p3 looks like it could handle two 9 car Azumas.
One of them would have to be coming from Scarborough, of course.
The sky has hazed over a bit, but the light is still bright. There are
places in the vale of York where a lot of rain has fallen - there are wide
flooded fields with hedgerows sticking out of the water. Some of the trees
are still in their autumn colours.
The train has filled up and the WiFi is getting slower, so I’ll post this
and follow up with the rest of the journey later.
Sam

[Sam Wilson]

We left Doncaster 13 minutes late, and we’re just leaving Newark Northgate
12 (nearly 13) down. The flat crossing was as spectacular as usual (eye of
the beholder, of course) and WCR’s 57010 was sitting in a siding at Newark
looking quite smart.

Earlier 1L40, our connecting Birmingham-Stansted XC, was consistently 5
minutes late on its journey, but lost a lot more time around Leicester and
is currently 15 late approaching Melton Mowbray. It’s scheduled to have an
8 minute layover at Peterborough, but RTT is currently projecting it to
leave 10 minutes late. I’m not nervous.

We meet a young family on the Azuma who are heading for Stansted and we
help them find the right platform. We get from p3 to p6 where the 13.16 to
Cambridge is being advertised as 69 minutes late, expected 14.25. Shortly
it’s re-reported as 75 minutes late and our 14.16 comes up on the monitors
instead, expected 14.25. There are repeated announcements explaining that
the delays are due to a broken down train and apologising that our trip
will take longer than we planned.

It’s announced that the next train in p5 will not be stopping. Actually it
does - it’s a southbound Freightliner which changes drivers. Just as it
restarts a GBRF container train comes northbound on the track beyond p7.
It’s double headed but I can’t tell if both locos are powering. It stops
in the station and is still there when we leave. All the locos are 66s, of
course.

The 1416 arrives and we squeeze our way on. There are seats for everyone,
if you don’t count small children as everyone. The seats on this XC 170/6
have more padding than the Azuma’s ones, and the arm rests are wider and
more comfortable, but conversely the effective width of the seat feels
smaller. Of course there’s a diesel underneath as well.

Lengthy and cheerful on-train announcement explaining that a frieght train
has broken down in a tunnel beginning with A and trains have been delayed
and some have been diverted via Donington(?). We’re 10 minutes late but
there’s scope to catch up some time at Cambridge, where there’s a scheduled
wait. We’re now past March and my wife is showing the boy of the family
we’ve become attached to photos of our grandchildren’s high jinks. We’ll
be saying good byeto them shortly.

There’s a lot of water alongside the railway here but it’s not clear
whether this is exceptional or just the normal way of the winter around
here. The train doing the usual thing of rushing through the fields and
then jumping over the water courses which are, of course, cooped up within
embankments.

We approach Ely, or at least we can see it not far away. We slow down and
stop. After a few minutes the TM comes on and says we’re stopped close to
Chettisham level crossing, and it might be because of the crossing, or it
might be that there are many trains waiting to get into Ely.

After a few minutes we move off slowly and keep going, slowly, all the way
across Ely North Junction, into the station 20 3/4 late just before 15.10.
Our family are waiting for us. As we headed for the rather elegant curving
ramp from the platform the delayed 13.50 to Cambridge, the 13.16 from
Peterborough, was just arriving.

Not a bad trip, but maybe in this country we’re just used to things not
working too well. I’ve almost finished the report of our trip in
September, and things aren’t wildly different across the continent, well,
mostly Germany, actually, but I don’t think we were on many trains ran
exactly to time.

Anyway, we got here!

Sam

[Theo]

Post by Sam Wilson
There’s a lot of water alongside the railway here but it’s not clear
whether this is exceptional or just the normal way of the winter around
here. The train doing the usual thing of rushing through the fields and
then jumping over the water courses which are, of course, cooped up within
embankments.

Probably:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ouse_Washes

The gap between the two rivers is about a km wide and often flooded in
winter.

The railway is higher up than the A1101 at Welney, which is often closed due
to water in the washes.

Theo

[Mark Goodge]

On 28 Nov 2024 17:16:17 +0000 (GMT), Theo

Post by Theo

There’s a lot of water alongside the railway here but it’s not clear
whether this is exceptional or just the normal way of the winter around
here. The train doing the usual thing of rushing through the fields and
then jumping over the water courses which are, of course, cooped up within
embankments.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ouse_Washes
The gap between the two rivers is about a km wide and often flooded in
winter.

Yes, it can be quite a spectacular journey when the washes are flooded.
Looking out from inside, the train feels as if it's skimming across the
water.

Mark

[tony sayer]

In article <nco****@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk>, Theo <theom+***@chi
ark.greenend.org.uk> scribeth thus

Post by Theo

Post by Sam Wilson
There’s a lot of water alongside the railway here but it’s not clear
whether this is exceptional or just the normal way of the winter around
here. The train doing the usual thing of rushing through the fields and
then jumping over the water courses which are, of course, cooped up within
embankments.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ouse_Washes
The gap between the two rivers is about a km wide and often flooded in
winter.
The railway is higher up than the A1101 at Welney, which is often closed due
to water in the washes.
Theo

Deffo need a diesel, no ignition system to get waterlogged, and an air
intake thats well up on the vehicle!..

But these days there are gates to close the road off!.

Used to go thru there quite a bit in days gone by, made it most times!.

[Roland Perry]

Post by tony sayer

Post by Theo

Post by Sam Wilson
There’s a lot of water alongside the railway here but it’s not clear
whether this is exceptional or just the normal way of the winter around
here. The train doing the usual thing of rushing through the fields and
then jumping over the water courses which are, of course, cooped up within
embankments.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ouse_Washes
The gap between the two rivers is about a km wide and often flooded in
winter.
The railway is higher up than the A1101 at Welney, which is often closed due
to water in the washes.

Deffo need a diesel, no ignition system to get waterlogged, and an air
intake thats well up on the vehicle!..
But these days there are gates to close the road off!.
Used to go thru there quite a bit in days gone by, made it most times!.
http://youtu.be/czJw0jahORU

In theory most civilian Range Rovers, Land Rovers, Evoques, Freelanders
etc can wade at least 20".

[Sam Wilson]

Post by Theo

Post by Sam Wilson
There’s a lot of water alongside the railway here but it’s not clear
whether this is exceptional or just the normal way of the winter around
here. The train doing the usual thing of rushing through the fields and
then jumping over the water courses which are, of course, cooped up within
embankments.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ouse_Washes
The gap between the two rivers is about a km wide and often flooded in
winter.
The railway is higher up than the A1101 at Welney, which is often closed due
to water in the washes.

Thank you, and to the other contributors who mentioned this. I was aware
of the washes at Welney but hadn’t clocked that the area stretched so far
west.

Sam

[Ulf_Kutzner]

Post by Sam Wilson

Post by Theo

Post by Sam Wilson
There’s a lot of water alongside the railway here but it’s not clear
whether this is exceptional or just the normal way of the winter around
here. The train doing the usual thing of rushing through the fields and
then jumping over the water courses which are, of course, cooped up within
embankments.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ouse_Washes
The gap between the two rivers is about a km wide and often flooded in
winter.
The railway is higher up than the A1101 at Welney, which is often closed due
to water in the washes.

Thank you, and to the other contributors who mentioned this. I was aware
of the washes at Welney but hadn’t clocked that the area stretched so far
west.

I know it's close to the North Sea but still:
Does that freeze once in 30 years or so?

Regards, ULF

[Rupert Moss-Eccardt]

Post by Ulf_Kutzner

Post by Sam Wilson

Post by Theo

There's a lot of water alongside the railway here but it's not clear
whether this is exceptional or just the normal way of the winter around
here. The train doing the usual thing of rushing through the fields and
then jumping over the water courses which are, of course, cooped up within
embankments.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ouse_Washes
The gap between the two rivers is about a km wide and often flooded in
winter.
The railway is higher up than the A1101 at Welney, which is often closed due
to water in the washes.

Thank you, and to the other contributors who mentioned this. I was aware
of the washes at Welney but hadn't clocked that the area stretched so
far
west.

Does that freeze once in 30 years or so?

If there is a long enough period of cold weather then it freezes enough
to skate on. It is much more often than once every 30 years.
You might find this interesting:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkey_Smart

[Anna Noyd-Dryver]

Post by Rupert Moss-Eccardt
If there is a long enough period of cold weather then it freezes enough
to skate on. It is much more often than once every 30 years.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkey_Smart

What a wonderful story, and some fantastic names too!

[Rolf Mantel]

Post by Rupert Moss-Eccardt

Post by Ulf_Kutzner

Post by Sam Wilson

Post by Theo

There's a lot of water alongside the railway here but it's not clear
whether this is exceptional or just the normal way of the winter around
here. The train doing the usual thing of rushing through the fields and
then jumping over the water courses which are, of course, cooped up within
embankments.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ouse_Washes
The gap between the two rivers is about a km wide and often flooded in
winter.
The railway is higher up than the A1101 at Welney, which is often closed due
to water in the washes.

Thank you, and to the other contributors who mentioned this. I was aware
of the washes at Welney but hadn't clocked that the area stretched so
far
west.

Does that freeze once in 30 years or so?

If there is a long enough period of cold weather then it freezes enough
to skate on. It is much more often than once every 30 years.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkey_Smart

Probably similar weather to the famous Friesland "11 towns"

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elfstedentocht>

I'd speculate that 1997 was the last time ever this event was run.

[Adrian]

Post by Sam Wilson
Lengthy and cheerful on-train announcement explaining that a frieght train
has broken down in a tunnel beginning with A and trains have been delayed
and some have been diverted via Donington(?). We’re 10 minutes late but
there’s scope to catch up some time at Cambridge, where there’s a scheduled
wait. We’re now past March and my wife is showing the boy of the family
we’ve become attached to photos of our grandchildren’s high jinks. We’ll
be saying good byeto them shortly.

Realtime Trains seems to lose that service between Coleshill and
Leicester. Looking at a map, the only likely route that would include
Donnington would be via Burton then through Donnington to Long Eaton,
then south to Leicester, reversing again to regain the original route.
The only tunnel I see on the route starting with A is at Ansley, which
is between Coleshill and Nuneaton.

Any alternatives ?

Impressive if that is what happened, is route via Donnington cleared for
passenger services, and where did they get the drivers with route
knowledge from ?

Adrian

[Sam Wilson]

Post by Adrian

Post by Sam Wilson
Lengthy and cheerful on-train announcement explaining that a frieght train
has broken down in a tunnel beginning with A and trains have been delayed
and some have been diverted via Donington(?). We’re 10 minutes late but
there’s scope to catch up some time at Cambridge, where there’s a scheduled
wait. We’re now past March and my wife is showing the boy of the family
we’ve become attached to photos of our grandchildren’s high jinks. We’ll
be saying good byeto them shortly.

Realtime Trains seems to lose that service between Coleshill and
Leicester. Looking at a map, the only likely route that would include
Donnington would be via Burton then through Donnington to Long Eaton,
then south to Leicester, reversing again to regain the original route.
The only tunnel I see on the route starting with A is at Ansley, which
is between Coleshill and Nuneaton.
Any alternatives ?

Ansley sounds plausible - I could be persuaded that that was what the TM
said.

Post by Adrian
Impressive if that is what happened, is route via Donnington cleared for
passenger services, and where did they get the drivers with route
knowledge from ?

I’d be interested in that too!

Sam

[Anna Noyd-Dryver]

Post by Sam Wilson

Post by Adrian

Post by Sam Wilson
Lengthy and cheerful on-train announcement explaining that a frieght train
has broken down in a tunnel beginning with A and trains have been delayed
and some have been diverted via Donington(?). We’re 10 minutes late but
there’s scope to catch up some time at Cambridge, where there’s a scheduled
wait. We’re now past March and my wife is showing the boy of the family
we’ve become attached to photos of our grandchildren’s high jinks. We’ll
be saying good byeto them shortly.

Realtime Trains seems to lose that service between Coleshill and
Leicester. Looking at a map, the only likely route that would include
Donnington would be via Burton then through Donnington to Long Eaton,
then south to Leicester, reversing again to regain the original route.
The only tunnel I see on the route starting with A is at Ansley, which
is between Coleshill and Nuneaton.
Any alternatives ?

Ansley sounds plausible - I could be persuaded that that was what the TM
said.

Post by Adrian
Impressive if that is what happened, is route via Donnington cleared for
passenger services, and where did they get the drivers with route
knowledge from ?

I’d be interested in that too!

XC have some ECS services which runs that way.

<https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/search/detailed/gb-nr:XDD/2024-11-27/0000-2359?stp=WVS&show=all&order=wtt&toc=XC>

[Adrian]

Post by Anna Noyd-Dryver
XC have some ECS services which runs that way.
<https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/search/detailed/gb-nr:XDD/2024-11-27/0
000-2359?stp=WVS&show=all&order=wtt&toc=XC>

Thanks.

Adrian

[Roland Perry]

Post by Sam Wilson
There’s a lot of water alongside the railway here but it’s not clear
whether this is exceptional or just the normal way of the winter around
here. The train doing the usual thing of rushing through the fields and
then jumping over the water courses which are, of course, cooped up within
embankments.

The Welney washes, which are currently almost flooded enough for the
road across to be closed. Happens every year.

[Roland Perry]

Post by Roland Perry

Post by Sam Wilson
There’s a lot of water alongside the railway here but it’s not clear
whether this is exceptional or just the normal way of the winter around
here. The train doing the usual thing of rushing through the fields and
then jumping over the water courses which are, of course, cooped up within
embankments.

The Welney washes, which are currently almost flooded enough for the
road across to be closed. Happens every year.

Stop Press! Alert issued 8am this morning that water (coming downstream
from St Ives and Earith area) has now reached the road surface and the
barriers will deployed today.

[Roland Perry]

Post by Roland Perry

Post by Roland Perry

Post by Sam Wilson
There’s a lot of water alongside the railway here but it’s not clear
whether this is exceptional or just the normal way of the winter around
here. The train doing the usual thing of rushing through the fields and
then jumping over the water courses which are, of course, cooped up within
embankments.

The Welney washes, which are currently almost flooded enough for the
road across to be closed. Happens every year.

Stop Press! Alert issued 8am this morning that water (coming downstream
from St Ives and Earith area) has now reached the road surface and the
barriers will deployed today.

And this morning it's 2ft under water.

[Sam Wilson]

. . . and return!

Our 1550 EMR from Ely to Peterborough, 1R78, is marked as 9 minutes late
at Ely, incoming from Norwich. P1 at Ely has a 4.5-car Stadler heading
north, there’s an 8-car Electrostar in the south end of p3, and a red
yellow thing in the siding at the south end of p1. While we’re there
another Stadler goes southwards, a 3-car EMR 170 terminates at the north
end of p3 and a RHTT runs past p3 and then comes back north through p1.
My, those things get mucky!

The display shows the 1550 as variously being expected at 1559, 1600, 1602,
1603, 1605 and so on. Apparently it’s late due to a speed restriction.

The 1556 to King’s Lynn comes into p1 and leaves on time, with the 1550 now
marked as exp 1602. At 1559 a GBRF container train pulls into p1 from the
south, and concurrently there is an announcement that the delayed 1550 for
Liverpool Lime St, calling at Peterborogh and [about 57 other stations. . .
pause for breath] will now leave from platform 2. The nice ramped
underpass makes it pretty easy to get everyone across in time. The train
is now marked by RTT as 20 late at Ely North Junction. It arrives, we get
on, the train reverses and we leave only 17 late at 1608 (?).

RTT has us now passing Manea 20 late - not sure how that’s happened since
Ely North was 17 and we’re not hanging around. We’re now expected PBO at
1642. Our connection, 1S24, leaves at 1644. We were supposed to have 20
minutes to get from p6 to p2. Oh well.

18 minutes late at March, 20 again at Three Horseshoes. RTT now expecting
us at PBO at 1643.

This train, a 158, has really high-backed seats - obviously inspired by
gWr.

This is rapidly turning into A Tale Of Two Platforms, or maybe Two
Freightliners, or maybe just one Freightliner (OK, but “Two GBRFs” doesn’t
sound so good). Our train from Ely was booked into p6 at PBO. When we
arrived at 1647 we were in 7 and there was a line of containers and flats
just pulling out of p6. Turns out that was 4E43 from Felixstowe to
Peterborough North Yard, the same train that pinched our platform at Ely.
Perhaps we were delayed behind that coming from Ely.

Since we arrived at 1647 and we didn’t even try to get to p2, just headed
for p4 where 1S25, the 1714 for Edinburgh, is due to leave from. A 5-car
Azuma for Lincoln is in the platform and it leaves on time at 1701. I book
seats on the 1714 using LNER’s booking service and get G31 and G32. The
train arrives - at the right platform! - it’s not full, and the display
over our seats says “May be reserved later”.

“We will shortly be arriving at . . . Grantham. Change here for trains to
[seductively breathy pause] Skegness.”

We were a couple of minutes late leaving Peterborough, and the same at
Grantham, but we’ve just left Newark on time. I’ll post this in the
confident expectation that there will be no bother with using our AP
tickets on the wrong train, or with further timekeeping.

Sam

[Sam Wilson]

So there was more fun and games. We’re now just approaching Alnmouth
(pass) and at some point since I last looked, an hour or more ago, the
display above the seats has now switched to Peterboro to Edinburgh, but
that’s not really exciting.

There seem to have been a lot of XC services cancelled today. Earlier,
around Ely, there were warnings on the National Rail app (which I didn’t
follow up), and at Newcastle and Morpeth there were announcements about
people getting on or off this train - the Ncl announcement was partly
drowned out by some people talking loudly, but at Morpeth passengers were
told to change there for Alnmouth and Berwick.

Ah, the group of passengers sitting in front of us, the noisy ones, two
middle-aged guys going to Glasgow, have XC tickets and should have waited
for the following, delayed XC train behind us, which should have been going
to Glasgow but is now being terminated at Edinburgh. The problem is that
this is a LNER train and their tickets, even in cases of disruption, are
not valid on this train.

Now another guy who’s going to Alnmouth has stumbled along the train and
the TM is checking whether he can get the train stopped at Berwick, given
there are no services back to Alnmouth from Edinburgh tonight.

Apparently there were announcements about the XC ticket situation which our
jolly friends had failed to hear. One of those would have been at
Newcastle where they got on the train and spent several minutes loudly, but
cheerfully, hurling insults at the folks across the aisle, who gave as good
as they got. They may have missed an announcement on the platform for the
same reason.

Oddly we met a woman at Ely who was heading for Peterborough but had
already got on the wrong train and had been part way to Norwich before
being put on a train back again.

And we’ve just stopped at Berwick (with very very short notice - the driver
must have only just had enough time to slow down) to offload the possibly
drunk, possibly sleepy guy for his connection back to Alnmouth, and the
not-at-all-pleased wife he phoned to explain where he was. I guess the TM
will be back shortly to deal with our neighbours heading to Glasgow with XC
tickets.

. . . and he’s decided to let their presence on this LNER train pass and
has told them to check with ScotRail in Edinburgh whether their XC tickets
will be accepted. Having been told their XC train was cancelled from
Edinburgh they were all for buying new tickets on line.

. . . and the stop at Berwick doesn’t seem to have interfered too with our
timing - we were 1 min up at Tweedmouth SB, then 1/2 minute down after our
passing time at Berwick, 2 minutes down at Reston.

Oh, and a few minutes ago one of the Glaswegians realised he was watching a
real time tracker for the train he should have been on, not the one he was
actually on, and had been planning his onward journey based on when that is
timed to arrive at Waverley. They’re some kind of mixture of gallus and
glaikit, or they may just be slightly drunk.

As I look at RTT the timing at Reston has just been put forward by 1/2
minute so it was only 1.5 down, not 2, and we’ve just passed Grantshouse
1.25 down.

And so we arrived in Edinburgh exactly on time at 2112. We walked to the
Mound and got the bus home.

And relax…

Sam

[Nobody]

On Sat, 30 Nov 2024 22:18:24 -0000 (UTC), Sam Wilson

So there was more fun and games. We’re now just approaching Alnmouth
(pass) and at some point since I last looked, an hour or more ago, the
display above the seats has now switched to Peterboro to Edinburgh, but
that’s not really exciting.
There seem to have been a lot of XC services cancelled today. Earlier,
around Ely, there were warnings on the National Rail app (which I didn’t
follow up), and at Newcastle and Morpeth there were announcements about
people getting on or off this train - the Ncl announcement was partly
drowned out by some people talking loudly, but at Morpeth passengers were
told to change there for Alnmouth and Berwick.
Ah, the group of passengers sitting in front of us, the noisy ones, two
middle-aged guys going to Glasgow, have XC tickets and should have waited
for the following, delayed XC train behind us, which should have been going
to Glasgow but is now being terminated at Edinburgh. The problem is that
this is a LNER train and their tickets, even in cases of disruption, are
not valid on this train.
Now another guy who’s going to Alnmouth has stumbled along the train and
the TM is checking whether he can get the train stopped at Berwick, given
there are no services back to Alnmouth from Edinburgh tonight.
Apparently there were announcements about the XC ticket situation which our
jolly friends had failed to hear. One of those would have been at
Newcastle where they got on the train and spent several minutes loudly, but
cheerfully, hurling insults at the folks across the aisle, who gave as good
as they got. They may have missed an announcement on the platform for the
same reason.
Oddly we met a woman at Ely who was heading for Peterborough but had
already got on the wrong train and had been part way to Norwich before
being put on a train back again.
And we’ve just stopped at Berwick (with very very short notice - the driver
must have only just had enough time to slow down) to offload the possibly
drunk, possibly sleepy guy for his connection back to Alnmouth, and the
not-at-all-pleased wife he phoned to explain where he was. I guess the TM
will be back shortly to deal with our neighbours heading to Glasgow with XC
tickets.
. . . and he’s decided to let their presence on this LNER train pass and
has told them to check with ScotRail in Edinburgh whether their XC tickets
will be accepted. Having been told their XC train was cancelled from
Edinburgh they were all for buying new tickets on line.
. . . and the stop at Berwick doesn’t seem to have interfered too with our
timing - we were 1 min up at Tweedmouth SB, then 1/2 minute down after our
passing time at Berwick, 2 minutes down at Reston.
Oh, and a few minutes ago one of the Glaswegians realised he was watching a
real time tracker for the train he should have been on, not the one he was
actually on, and had been planning his onward journey based on when that is
timed to arrive at Waverley. They’re some kind of mixture of gallus and
glaikit, or they may just be slightly drunk.

<g>

As Anna Russell remarks in her send-up of Wagner's Ring der
Nibelungen, "I'm not making this up, you know!"

[Roland Perry]

Post by Sam Wilson
Oddly we met a woman at Ely who was heading for Peterborough but had
already got on the wrong train and had been part way to Norwich before
being put on a train back again.

When Soham Station closed (on the Ely-Bury line) back in the day, the
only actual passenger on the train was a lady who was tying to get from
Cambridge to Ipswich, and had got on the wrong train out of Cambridge.

Other pax were the journalist writing that story, and railway staff from
Ely station who lived in Soham.

[Sam Wilson]

Post by Roland Perry

Post by Sam Wilson
Oddly we met a woman at Ely who was heading for Peterborough but had
already got on the wrong train and had been part way to Norwich before
being put on a train back again.

When Soham Station closed (on the Ely-Bury line) back in the day, the
only actual passenger on the train was a lady who was tying to get from
Cambridge to Ipswich, and had got on the wrong train out of Cambridge.
Other pax were the journalist writing that story, and railway staff from
Ely station who lived in Soham.

Sounds like this kind of mistake is common in the area!

Sam

[Ulf_Kutzner]

Post by Roland Perry

Post by Sam Wilson
Oddly we met a woman at Ely who was heading for Peterborough but had
already got on the wrong train and had been part way to Norwich before
being put on a train back again.

When Soham Station closed (on the Ely-Bury line) back in the day, the
only actual passenger on the train was a lady who was tying to get from
Cambridge to Ipswich, and had got on the wrong train out of Cambridge.
Other pax were the journalist writing that story, and railway staff from
Ely station who lived in Soham.

Station re-opened a bit more than three years ago.

And this portion of the line to Ely to be doubled.
Today's 2E78 1358 Ipswich - Peterborough (LE)
about 21 minutes late to enter the single
track section behind delayed 4M87 1113 Felixstowe
North F.L.T. - Lawley Street F.L.T. (ZZ)
which had to wait for early 4L38 1055 East Mids
Gateway Tml DBC - Felixstowe North EWS (ZZ)
which had to clear track at Ely.

[Rupert Moss-Eccardt]

Post by Ulf_Kutzner

Post by Roland Perry

Post by Sam Wilson
Oddly we met a woman at Ely who was heading for Peterborough but had
already got on the wrong train and had been part way to Norwich before
being put on a train back again.

When Soham Station closed (on the Ely-Bury line) back in the day, the
only actual passenger on the train was a lady who was tying to get from
Cambridge to Ipswich, and had got on the wrong train out of Cambridge.
Other pax were the journalist writing that story, and railway staff from
Ely station who lived in Soham.

Station re-opened a bit more than three years ago.
And this portion of the line to Ely to be doubled.
Today's 2E78 1358 Ipswich - Peterborough (LE)
about 21 minutes late to enter the single
track section behind delayed 4M87 1113 Felixstowe
North F.L.T. - Lawley Street F.L.T. (ZZ)
which had to wait for early 4L38 1055 East Mids
Gateway Tml DBC - Felixstowe North EWS (ZZ)
which had to clear track at Ely.

There aren't any plans to double the Soham line that I am aware of.
People have talked about it but then a lot is talked about.
So, something like an Outline Business Case or even some scope
documents would make me less sceptical

[Roland Perry]

Post by Sam Wilson

Post by Ulf_Kutzner

Post by Roland Perry

Post by Sam Wilson
Oddly we met a woman at Ely who was heading for Peterborough but had
already got on the wrong train and had been part way to Norwich

before

Post by Ulf_Kutzner

Post by Roland Perry

Post by Sam Wilson
being put on a train back again.

When Soham Station closed (on the Ely-Bury line) back in the day, the
only actual passenger on the train was a lady who was tying to get from
Cambridge to Ipswich, and had got on the wrong train out of Cambridge.
Other pax were the journalist writing that story, and railway staff from
Ely station who lived in Soham.

Station re-opened a bit more than three years ago.
And this portion of the line to Ely to be doubled.
Today's 2E78 1358 Ipswich - Peterborough (LE)
about 21 minutes late to enter the single
track section behind delayed 4M87 1113 Felixstowe
North F.L.T. - Lawley Street F.L.T. (ZZ)
which had to wait for early 4L38 1055 East Mids
Gateway Tml DBC - Felixstowe North EWS (ZZ)
which had to clear track at Ely.

There aren't any plans to double the Soham line that I am aware of.

Network Rail got as far as looking at the ground conditions a few years
ago (having got their fingers burnt failing to install an additional
goods loop at Ely Station due to the bog).

They said "no". Colin the Councillor said there was some potential for a
brand new single line from Soham to somewhere near Little Thetford
(alongside Soham Lode I suppose), for the northbound flow, but I've not
heard anything about that recently.

Post by Sam Wilson
People have talked about it but then a lot is talked about.
So, something like an Outline Business Case or even some scope
documents would make me less sceptical

[Rupert Moss-Eccardt]

Post by Roland Perry

Post by Sam Wilson

Post by Ulf_Kutzner

Post by Roland Perry

Post by Sam Wilson
Oddly we met a woman at Ely who was heading for Peterborough but had
already got on the wrong train and had been part way to Norwich

before

Post by Ulf_Kutzner

Post by Roland Perry

Post by Sam Wilson
being put on a train back again.

When Soham Station closed (on the Ely-Bury line) back in the day, the
only actual passenger on the train was a lady who was tying to get from
Cambridge to Ipswich, and had got on the wrong train out of Cambridge.
Other pax were the journalist writing that story, and railway staff from
Ely station who lived in Soham.

Station re-opened a bit more than three years ago.
And this portion of the line to Ely to be doubled.
Today's 2E78 1358 Ipswich - Peterborough (LE)
about 21 minutes late to enter the single
track section behind delayed 4M87 1113 Felixstowe
North F.L.T. - Lawley Street F.L.T. (ZZ)
which had to wait for early 4L38 1055 East Mids
Gateway Tml DBC - Felixstowe North EWS (ZZ)
which had to clear track at Ely.

There aren't any plans to double the Soham line that I am aware of.

Network Rail got as far as looking at the ground conditions a few years
ago (having got their fingers burnt failing to install an additional
goods loop at Ely Station due to the bog).
They said "no". Colin the Councillor said there was some potential for a
brand new single line from Soham to somewhere near Little Thetford
(alongside Soham Lode I suppose), for the northbound flow, but I've not
heard anything about that recently.

I understand that NR still have a position about doubling along the
lines of "you want it, you do it, but we won't provide any money at
all".

But, the EACE does have a loop in it. Perhaps they are benefiting from
the massive load of muck removed and replaced with quality top soil
from Harlocks Farm so the loop won't sink.

Post by Roland Perry

Post by Sam Wilson
People have talked about it but then a lot is talked about.
So, something like an Outline Business Case or even some scope
documents would make me less sceptical

--
Roland Perry

[Roland Perry]

Post by Rupert Moss-Eccardt

Post by Roland Perry

Post by Sam Wilson

Post by Ulf_Kutzner

Post by Roland Perry

Post by Sam Wilson
Oddly we met a woman at Ely who was heading for Peterborough but

had

Post by Roland Perry

Post by Sam Wilson

Post by Ulf_Kutzner

Post by Roland Perry

Post by Sam Wilson
already got on the wrong train and had been part way to Norwich

before

Post by Ulf_Kutzner

Post by Roland Perry

Post by Sam Wilson
being put on a train back again.

When Soham Station closed (on the Ely-Bury line) back in the day, the
only actual passenger on the train was a lady who was tying to get from
Cambridge to Ipswich, and had got on the wrong train out of Cambridge.
Other pax were the journalist writing that story, and railway staff from
Ely station who lived in Soham.

Station re-opened a bit more than three years ago.
And this portion of the line to Ely to be doubled.
Today's 2E78 1358 Ipswich - Peterborough (LE)
about 21 minutes late to enter the single
track section behind delayed 4M87 1113 Felixstowe
North F.L.T. - Lawley Street F.L.T. (ZZ)
which had to wait for early 4L38 1055 East Mids
Gateway Tml DBC - Felixstowe North EWS (ZZ)
which had to clear track at Ely.

There aren't any plans to double the Soham line that I am aware of.

Network Rail got as far as looking at the ground conditions a few years
ago (having got their fingers burnt failing to install an additional
goods loop at Ely Station due to the bog).
They said "no". Colin the Councillor said there was some potential for a
brand new single line from Soham to somewhere near Little Thetford
(alongside Soham Lode I suppose), for the northbound flow, but I've not
heard anything about that recently.

I understand that NR still have a position about doubling along the
lines of "you want it, you do it, but we won't provide any money at
all".
But, the EACE does have a loop in it.

Where about - I'm not that familiar with the details. Alongside the
existing tracks at the station?

Post by Rupert Moss-Eccardt
Perhaps they are benefiting from the massive load of muck removed and
replaced with quality top soil from Harlocks Farm so the loop won't
sink.

Post by Roland Perry

Post by Sam Wilson
People have talked about it but then a lot is talked about.
So, something like an Outline Business Case or even some scope
documents would make me less sceptical

--
Roland Perry

[Rupert Moss-Eccardt]

Post by Roland Perry

Post by Rupert Moss-Eccardt

Post by Roland Perry

Post by Sam Wilson

Post by Ulf_Kutzner

Post by Roland Perry

Post by Sam Wilson
Oddly we met a woman at Ely who was heading for Peterborough but

had

Post by Roland Perry

Post by Sam Wilson

Post by Ulf_Kutzner

Post by Roland Perry

Post by Sam Wilson
already got on the wrong train and had been part way to Norwich

before

Post by Ulf_Kutzner

Post by Roland Perry

Post by Sam Wilson
being put on a train back again.

When Soham Station closed (on the Ely-Bury line) back in the day, the
only actual passenger on the train was a lady who was tying to get from
Cambridge to Ipswich, and had got on the wrong train out of Cambridge.
Other pax were the journalist writing that story, and railway staff from
Ely station who lived in Soham.

Station re-opened a bit more than three years ago.
And this portion of the line to Ely to be doubled.
Today's 2E78 1358 Ipswich - Peterborough (LE)
about 21 minutes late to enter the single
track section behind delayed 4M87 1113 Felixstowe
North F.L.T. - Lawley Street F.L.T. (ZZ)
which had to wait for early 4L38 1055 East Mids
Gateway Tml DBC - Felixstowe North EWS (ZZ)
which had to clear track at Ely.

There aren't any plans to double the Soham line that I am aware of.

Network Rail got as far as looking at the ground conditions a few years
ago (having got their fingers burnt failing to install an additional
goods loop at Ely Station due to the bog).
They said "no". Colin the Councillor said there was some potential for a
brand new single line from Soham to somewhere near Little Thetford
(alongside Soham Lode I suppose), for the northbound flow, but I've not
heard anything about that recently.

I understand that NR still have a position about doubling along the
lines of "you want it, you do it, but we won't provide any money at
all".
But, the EACE does have a loop in it.

Where about - I'm not that familiar with the details. Alongside the
existing tracks at the station?

There isn't really space there. The OBC mentions a 400m passing loop
and a wider embankment so I guess around the Dock Junction bend and
across the bridge

[Roland Perry]

Post by Rupert Moss-Eccardt

Post by Roland Perry

Post by Rupert Moss-Eccardt

Post by Roland Perry

Post by Sam Wilson

Post by Ulf_Kutzner

Post by Roland Perry

Post by Sam Wilson
Oddly we met a woman at Ely who was heading for Peterborough but

had

Post by Roland Perry

Post by Sam Wilson

Post by Ulf_Kutzner

Post by Roland Perry

Post by Sam Wilson
already got on the wrong train and had been part way to Norwich

before

Post by Ulf_Kutzner

Post by Roland Perry

Post by Sam Wilson
being put on a train back again.

When Soham Station closed (on the Ely-Bury line) back in the day, the
only actual passenger on the train was a lady who was tying to get from
Cambridge to Ipswich, and had got on the wrong train out of Cambridge.
Other pax were the journalist writing that story, and railway staff from
Ely station who lived in Soham.

Station re-opened a bit more than three years ago.
And this portion of the line to Ely to be doubled.
Today's 2E78 1358 Ipswich - Peterborough (LE)
about 21 minutes late to enter the single
track section behind delayed 4M87 1113 Felixstowe
North F.L.T. - Lawley Street F.L.T. (ZZ)
which had to wait for early 4L38 1055 East Mids
Gateway Tml DBC - Felixstowe North EWS (ZZ)
which had to clear track at Ely.

There aren't any plans to double the Soham line that I am aware of.

Network Rail got as far as looking at the ground conditions a few years
ago (having got their fingers burnt failing to install an additional
goods loop at Ely Station due to the bog).
They said "no". Colin the Councillor said there was some potential for a
brand new single line from Soham to somewhere near Little Thetford
(alongside Soham Lode I suppose), for the northbound flow, but I've not
heard anything about that recently.

I understand that NR still have a position about doubling along the
lines of "you want it, you do it, but we won't provide any money at
all".
But, the EACE does have a loop in it.

Where about - I'm not that familiar with the details. Alongside the
existing tracks at the station?

There isn't really space there.

There's space because they were planning on building a loop there
before. Until someone finally went on site to start construction and
reported back "it's bit soggy".

Post by Rupert Moss-Eccardt
The OBC mentions a 400m passing loop
and a wider embankment so I guess around the Dock Junction bend and
across the bridge

[Rupert Moss-Eccardt]

Post by Roland Perry

Post by Rupert Moss-Eccardt

Post by Roland Perry

Post by Rupert Moss-Eccardt

Post by Roland Perry

Post by Sam Wilson

Post by Ulf_Kutzner

Post by Roland Perry

Post by Sam Wilson
Oddly we met a woman at Ely who was heading for Peterborough but

had

Post by Roland Perry

Post by Sam Wilson

Post by Ulf_Kutzner

Post by Roland Perry

Post by Sam Wilson
already got on the wrong train and had been part way to Norwich

before

Post by Ulf_Kutzner

Post by Roland Perry

Post by Sam Wilson
being put on a train back again.

When Soham Station closed (on the Ely-Bury line) back in the day, the
only actual passenger on the train was a lady who was tying to get from
Cambridge to Ipswich, and had got on the wrong train out of Cambridge.
Other pax were the journalist writing that story, and railway staff from
Ely station who lived in Soham.

Station re-opened a bit more than three years ago.
And this portion of the line to Ely to be doubled.
Today's 2E78 1358 Ipswich - Peterborough (LE)
about 21 minutes late to enter the single
track section behind delayed 4M87 1113 Felixstowe
North F.L.T. - Lawley Street F.L.T. (ZZ)
which had to wait for early 4L38 1055 East Mids
Gateway Tml DBC - Felixstowe North EWS (ZZ)
which had to clear track at Ely.

There aren't any plans to double the Soham line that I am aware of.

Network Rail got as far as looking at the ground conditions a few years
ago (having got their fingers burnt failing to install an additional
goods loop at Ely Station due to the bog).
They said "no". Colin the Councillor said there was some potential for a
brand new single line from Soham to somewhere near Little Thetford
(alongside Soham Lode I suppose), for the northbound flow, but I've not
heard anything about that recently.

I understand that NR still have a position about doubling along the
lines of "you want it, you do it, but we won't provide any money at
all".
But, the EACE does have a loop in it.

Where about - I'm not that familiar with the details. Alongside the
existing tracks at the station?

There isn't really space there.

There's space because they were planning on building a loop there
before. Until someone finally went on site to start construction and
reported back "it's bit soggy".

No, they were never planning to out a loop in "at the station".
They were planning to put a look in at Dock Junction which, I imagine
is roughly where they plan to put the new one as below. As per my post
earlier,the work on the bypass has replaced a lot of the ground.

Post by Roland Perry

Post by Rupert Moss-Eccardt
The OBC mentions a 400m passing loop
and a wider embankment so I guess around the Dock Junction bend and
across the bridge

[Roland Perry]

Post by Rupert Moss-Eccardt

Post by Roland Perry

Post by Rupert Moss-Eccardt

Post by Roland Perry

Post by Rupert Moss-Eccardt

Post by Roland Perry

Post by Sam Wilson

Post by Ulf_Kutzner

Post by Roland Perry

Post by Sam Wilson
Oddly we met a woman at Ely who was heading for Peterborough

but

Post by Roland Perry

Post by Rupert Moss-Eccardt

Post by Roland Perry

Post by Rupert Moss-Eccardt
had

Post by Roland Perry

Post by Sam Wilson

Post by Ulf_Kutzner

Post by Roland Perry

Post by Sam Wilson
already got on the wrong train and had been part way to Norwich

before

Post by Ulf_Kutzner

Post by Roland Perry

Post by Sam Wilson
being put on a train back again.

When Soham Station closed (on the Ely-Bury line) back in the day, the
only actual passenger on the train was a lady who was tying to get from
Cambridge to Ipswich, and had got on the wrong train out of Cambridge.
Other pax were the journalist writing that story, and railway staff from
Ely station who lived in Soham.

Station re-opened a bit more than three years ago.
And this portion of the line to Ely to be doubled.
Today's 2E78 1358 Ipswich - Peterborough (LE)
about 21 minutes late to enter the single
track section behind delayed 4M87 1113 Felixstowe
North F.L.T. - Lawley Street F.L.T. (ZZ)
which had to wait for early 4L38 1055 East Mids
Gateway Tml DBC - Felixstowe North EWS (ZZ)
which had to clear track at Ely.

There aren't any plans to double the Soham line that I am aware

of.

Post by Roland Perry

Post by Rupert Moss-Eccardt

Post by Roland Perry

Post by Rupert Moss-Eccardt

Post by Roland Perry
Network Rail got as far as looking at the ground conditions a few years
ago (having got their fingers burnt failing to install an additional
goods loop at Ely Station due to the bog).
They said "no". Colin the Councillor said there was some potential for a
brand new single line from Soham to somewhere near Little Thetford
(alongside Soham Lode I suppose), for the northbound flow, but I've not
heard anything about that recently.

I understand that NR still have a position about doubling along the
lines of "you want it, you do it, but we won't provide any money at
all".
But, the EACE does have a loop in it.

Where about - I'm not that familiar with the details. Alongside the
existing tracks at the station?

There isn't really space there.

There's space because they were planning on building a loop there
before. Until someone finally went on site to start construction and
reported back "it's bit soggy".

No, they were never planning to out a loop in "at the station".
They were planning to put a look in at Dock Junction which, I imagine
is roughly where they plan to put the new one as below. As per my post
earlier,the work on the bypass has replaced a lot of the ground.

My recollection is that it was to be northwest of the bypass, which was
already planned, and possibly under construction.

[Rupert Moss-Eccardt]

On 16 Feb 2025 10:18, Roland Perry wrote:
[snip]

Post by Roland Perry

Post by Rupert Moss-Eccardt

Post by Roland Perry
There's space because they were planning on building a loop there
before. Until someone finally went on site to start construction and
reported back "it's bit soggy".

No, they were never planning to out a loop in "at the station".
They were planning to put a look in at Dock Junction which, I imagine
is roughly where they plan to put the new one as below. As per my post
earlier,the work on the bypass has replaced a lot of the ground.

My recollection is that it was to be northwest of the bypass, which was
already planned, and possibly under construction.

Your recollection is a little poor, I am afraid. Yes there had been
many discussions about sorting out the delays at the level crossing but
the Ely Southern Bypass proposal and resulting TWAO was long after the
EU money was taken, the compound built, the work started, abandoned and
the money given back. The compound wasn't wasted as it formed the basis
of the bypass compound.

[Anna Noyd-Dryver]

Post by Sam Wilson
. . . and return!
Our 1550 EMR from Ely to Peterborough, 1R78, is marked as 9 minutes late
at Ely, incoming from Norwich. P1 at Ely has a 4.5-car Stadler heading
north, there’s an 8-car Electrostar in the south end of p3, and a red
yellow thing in the siding at the south end of p1. While we’re there
another Stadler goes southwards, a 3-car EMR 170 terminates at the north
end of p3 and a RHTT runs past p3 and then comes back north through p1.
My, those things get mucky!
The display shows the 1550 as variously being expected at 1559, 1600, 1602,
1603, 1605 and so on. Apparently it’s late due to a speed restriction.
The 1556 to King’s Lynn comes into p1 and leaves on time, with the 1550 now
marked as exp 1602. At 1559 a GBRF container train pulls into p1 from the
south, and concurrently there is an announcement that the delayed 1550 for
Liverpool Lime St, calling at Peterborogh and [about 57 other stations. . .
pause for breath] will now leave from platform 2. The nice ramped
underpass makes it pretty easy to get everyone across in time. The train
is now marked by RTT as 20 late at Ely North Junction. It arrives, we get
on, the train reverses and we leave only 17 late at 1608 (?).
RTT has us now passing Manea 20 late - not sure how that’s happened since
Ely North was 17 and we’re not hanging around. We’re now expected PBO at
1642. Our connection, 1S24, leaves at 1644. We were supposed to have 20
minutes to get from p6 to p2. Oh well.
18 minutes late at March, 20 again at Three Horseshoes. RTT now expecting
us at PBO at 1643.
This train, a 158, has really high-backed seats - obviously inspired by
gWr.
This is rapidly turning into A Tale Of Two Platforms, or maybe Two
Freightliners, or maybe just one Freightliner (OK, but “Two GBRFs” doesn’t
sound so good). Our train from Ely was booked into p6 at PBO. When we
arrived at 1647 we were in 7 and there was a line of containers and flats
just pulling out of p6. Turns out that was 4E43 from Felixstowe to
Peterborough North Yard, the same train that pinched our platform at Ely.
Perhaps we were delayed behind that coming from Ely.

Checking one of the railway internal systems:

1R78 regained time to only 14 late at Nottingham, but later was 42 late
approaching Liverpool!

No less than seven different delay reasons are listed, though three can be
easily ignored because they are automatically generated 1 minute allowances
for temporary speed restrictions.

The remaining four delay causes:

36 minutes:

SUMMARY: 4Z50 TRAIN PREP TROWSEY 14:53 DB Cargo contacted regarding the
late departure of 4Z50 216 mis late from Trowse to Angerstien Wharf -
advised that the customer was slow in unloading the train resulting in the
delay.

Delays
13 mins ATTLEBORO - THETFORD YD FOL-LATE
5 mins THETFORD - ELY NTHJN YD FOL-LATE
3 mins WHITTLSEA - PETERBORO YO PLATFORM
3 mins PETERBORO - HELPSTNJN
RAN SLOW DUE TO BEING DIVERTED TO PLAT 7 OLR
3 mins TALLNGTNJ - STOKEJUNC YA REG-ONTIME
6 mins EARLES SB - CHINLYNJN YC FOL-ONTIME
3 mins CHINLYNJN - HAZELGRVE YA REG-ONTIME

6 minutes:

3S01 SIG TROWSEJ ATL TRC ADVISED THAT DELAYS CAUSED BY 3S01 IS DOWN TO
SIGNALLER AS THEY RELEASED THE TRAIN EARLY.

Delays
3 mins ELY NTHJN - MARCH YC FOL-ONTIME
3 mins MARCH - WHITTLSEA YC FOL-ONTIME

3 minutes plus one missed station call:

[Currently unlisted, either due to the desk responsible being unstaffed on
this shift, or the incident being of a sensitive nature]

There is however also a message: "18:11 14:55 Norwich to Liverpool Lime
Street due 20:29 will no longer call at Langley Mill. This is due to a
passenger being taken ill on a train."

Delays
3 mins IRONVILJN - CHESTRFLD
FTS LANGLEYML

And finally, 12 minutes:

2J21 BRAKE DEFECT CLI 17:48 MPSCC SSM advises that the driver of […] whilst
travelling on the down Bolton he witnessed sparks coming from a Northern
unit travelling in the Up direction […] 2J21 currently at a stand on the up
Bolton on the approach to MP516. [two more trains] currently at a stand in
rear of 2J21. 17:58 - Northern advises that 2J21 would be able to return to
Clifton where the passengers will detrain.

Delays
6 mins MANCR PIC YV HELD BACK
NEW PRIME CAUSE
6 mins MANCR PIC - MANCROXRD YP DIVERSION

[Sam Wilson]

Post by Anna Noyd-Dryver

Post by Sam Wilson
. . . and return!
Our 1550 EMR from Ely to Peterborough, 1R78, is marked as 9 minutes late
at Ely, incoming from Norwich. P1 at Ely has a 4.5-car Stadler heading
north, there’s an 8-car Electrostar in the south end of p3, and a red
yellow thing in the siding at the south end of p1. While we’re there
another Stadler goes southwards, a 3-car EMR 170 terminates at the north
end of p3 and a RHTT runs past p3 and then comes back north through p1.
My, those things get mucky!
The display shows the 1550 as variously being expected at 1559, 1600, 1602,
1603, 1605 and so on. Apparently it’s late due to a speed restriction.
The 1556 to King’s Lynn comes into p1 and leaves on time, with the 1550 now
marked as exp 1602. At 1559 a GBRF container train pulls into p1 from the
south, and concurrently there is an announcement that the delayed 1550 for
Liverpool Lime St, calling at Peterborogh and [about 57 other stations. . .
pause for breath] will now leave from platform 2. The nice ramped
underpass makes it pretty easy to get everyone across in time. The train
is now marked by RTT as 20 late at Ely North Junction. It arrives, we get
on, the train reverses and we leave only 17 late at 1608 (?).
RTT has us now passing Manea 20 late - not sure how that’s happened since
Ely North was 17 and we’re not hanging around. We’re now expected PBO at
1642. Our connection, 1S24, leaves at 1644. We were supposed to have 20
minutes to get from p6 to p2. Oh well.
18 minutes late at March, 20 again at Three Horseshoes. RTT now expecting
us at PBO at 1643.
This train, a 158, has really high-backed seats - obviously inspired by
gWr.
This is rapidly turning into A Tale Of Two Platforms, or maybe Two
Freightliners, or maybe just one Freightliner (OK, but “Two GBRFs” doesn’t
sound so good). Our train from Ely was booked into p6 at PBO. When we
arrived at 1647 we were in 7 and there was a line of containers and flats
just pulling out of p6. Turns out that was 4E43 from Felixstowe to
Peterborough North Yard, the same train that pinched our platform at Ely.
Perhaps we were delayed behind that coming from Ely.

1R78 regained time to only 14 late at Nottingham, but later was 42 late
approaching Liverpool!
No less than seven different delay reasons are listed, though three can be
easily ignored because they are automatically generated 1 minute allowances
for temporary speed restrictions.
SUMMARY: 4Z50 TRAIN PREP TROWSEY 14:53 DB Cargo contacted regarding the
late departure of 4Z50 216 mis late from Trowse to Angerstien Wharf -
advised that the customer was slow in unloading the train resulting in the
delay.
Delays
13 mins ATTLEBORO - THETFORD YD FOL-LATE
5 mins THETFORD - ELY NTHJN YD FOL-LATE
3 mins WHITTLSEA - PETERBORO YO PLATFORM
3 mins PETERBORO - HELPSTNJN
RAN SLOW DUE TO BEING DIVERTED TO PLAT 7 OLR
3 mins TALLNGTNJ - STOKEJUNC YA REG-ONTIME
6 mins EARLES SB - CHINLYNJN YC FOL-ONTIME
3 mins CHINLYNJN - HAZELGRVE YA REG-ONTIME
3S01 SIG TROWSEJ ATL TRC ADVISED THAT DELAYS CAUSED BY 3S01 IS DOWN TO
SIGNALLER AS THEY RELEASED THE TRAIN EARLY.
Delays
3 mins ELY NTHJN - MARCH YC FOL-ONTIME
3 mins MARCH - WHITTLSEA YC FOL-ONTIME
[Currently unlisted, either due to the desk responsible being unstaffed on
this shift, or the incident being of a sensitive nature]
There is however also a message: "18:11 14:55 Norwich to Liverpool Lime
Street due 20:29 will no longer call at Langley Mill. This is due to a
passenger being taken ill on a train."
Delays
3 mins IRONVILJN - CHESTRFLD
FTS LANGLEYML
2J21 BRAKE DEFECT CLI 17:48 MPSCC SSM advises that the driver of […] whilst
travelling on the down Bolton he witnessed sparks coming from a Northern
unit travelling in the Up direction […] 2J21 currently at a stand on the up
Bolton on the approach to MP516. [two more trains] currently at a stand in
rear of 2J21. 17:58 - Northern advises that 2J21 would be able to return to
Clifton where the passengers will detrain.
Delays
6 mins MANCR PIC YV HELD BACK
NEW PRIME CAUSE
6 mins MANCR PIC - MANCROXRD YP DIVERSION

So was our train held up by *everything* that went wrong yesterday, or was
it just unlucky?

Sam

[Anna Noyd-Dryver]

Post by Sam Wilson

Post by Anna Noyd-Dryver

Post by Sam Wilson
. . . and return!
Our 1550 EMR from Ely to Peterborough, 1R78, is marked as 9 minutes late
at Ely, incoming from Norwich. P1 at Ely has a 4.5-car Stadler heading
north, there’s an 8-car Electrostar in the south end of p3, and a red
yellow thing in the siding at the south end of p1. While we’re there
another Stadler goes southwards, a 3-car EMR 170 terminates at the north
end of p3 and a RHTT runs past p3 and then comes back north through p1.
My, those things get mucky!
The display shows the 1550 as variously being expected at 1559, 1600, 1602,
1603, 1605 and so on. Apparently it’s late due to a speed restriction.
The 1556 to King’s Lynn comes into p1 and leaves on time, with the 1550 now
marked as exp 1602. At 1559 a GBRF container train pulls into p1 from the
south, and concurrently there is an announcement that the delayed 1550 for
Liverpool Lime St, calling at Peterborogh and [about 57 other stations. . .
pause for breath] will now leave from platform 2. The nice ramped
underpass makes it pretty easy to get everyone across in time. The train
is now marked by RTT as 20 late at Ely North Junction. It arrives, we get
on, the train reverses and we leave only 17 late at 1608 (?).
RTT has us now passing Manea 20 late - not sure how that’s happened since
Ely North was 17 and we’re not hanging around. We’re now expected PBO at
1642. Our connection, 1S24, leaves at 1644. We were supposed to have 20
minutes to get from p6 to p2. Oh well.
18 minutes late at March, 20 again at Three Horseshoes. RTT now expecting
us at PBO at 1643.
This train, a 158, has really high-backed seats - obviously inspired by
gWr.
This is rapidly turning into A Tale Of Two Platforms, or maybe Two
Freightliners, or maybe just one Freightliner (OK, but “Two GBRFs” doesn’t
sound so good). Our train from Ely was booked into p6 at PBO. When we
arrived at 1647 we were in 7 and there was a line of containers and flats
just pulling out of p6. Turns out that was 4E43 from Felixstowe to
Peterborough North Yard, the same train that pinched our platform at Ely.
Perhaps we were delayed behind that coming from Ely.

1R78 regained time to only 14 late at Nottingham, but later was 42 late
approaching Liverpool!
No less than seven different delay reasons are listed, though three can be
easily ignored because they are automatically generated 1 minute allowances
for temporary speed restrictions.
SUMMARY: 4Z50 TRAIN PREP TROWSEY 14:53 DB Cargo contacted regarding the
late departure of 4Z50 216 mis late from Trowse to Angerstien Wharf -
advised that the customer was slow in unloading the train resulting in the
delay.
Delays
13 mins ATTLEBORO - THETFORD YD FOL-LATE
5 mins THETFORD - ELY NTHJN YD FOL-LATE
3 mins WHITTLSEA - PETERBORO YO PLATFORM
3 mins PETERBORO - HELPSTNJN
RAN SLOW DUE TO BEING DIVERTED TO PLAT 7 OLR
3 mins TALLNGTNJ - STOKEJUNC YA REG-ONTIME
6 mins EARLES SB - CHINLYNJN YC FOL-ONTIME
3 mins CHINLYNJN - HAZELGRVE YA REG-ONTIME
3S01 SIG TROWSEJ ATL TRC ADVISED THAT DELAYS CAUSED BY 3S01 IS DOWN TO
SIGNALLER AS THEY RELEASED THE TRAIN EARLY.
Delays
3 mins ELY NTHJN - MARCH YC FOL-ONTIME
3 mins MARCH - WHITTLSEA YC FOL-ONTIME
[Currently unlisted, either due to the desk responsible being unstaffed on
this shift, or the incident being of a sensitive nature]
There is however also a message: "18:11 14:55 Norwich to Liverpool Lime
Street due 20:29 will no longer call at Langley Mill. This is due to a
passenger being taken ill on a train."
Delays
3 mins IRONVILJN - CHESTRFLD
FTS LANGLEYML
2J21 BRAKE DEFECT CLI 17:48 MPSCC SSM advises that the driver of […] whilst
travelling on the down Bolton he witnessed sparks coming from a Northern
unit travelling in the Up direction […] 2J21 currently at a stand on the up
Bolton on the approach to MP516. [two more trains] currently at a stand in
rear of 2J21. 17:58 - Northern advises that 2J21 would be able to return to
Clifton where the passengers will detrain.
Delays
6 mins MANCR PIC YV HELD BACK
NEW PRIME CAUSE
6 mins MANCR PIC - MANCROXRD YP DIVERSION

So was our train held up by *everything* that went wrong yesterday, or was
it just unlucky?

Looks like both, I'd say! :D

[Sam Wilson]

Post by Anna Noyd-Dryver

Post by Sam Wilson

Post by Anna Noyd-Dryver

Post by Sam Wilson
. . . and return!
Our 1550 EMR from Ely to Peterborough, 1R78, is marked as 9 minutes late
at Ely, incoming from Norwich. P1 at Ely has a 4.5-car Stadler heading
north, there’s an 8-car Electrostar in the south end of p3, and a red
yellow thing in the siding at the south end of p1. While we’re there
another Stadler goes southwards, a 3-car EMR 170 terminates at the north
end of p3 and a RHTT runs past p3 and then comes back north through p1.
My, those things get mucky!
The display shows the 1550 as variously being expected at 1559, 1600, 1602,
1603, 1605 and so on. Apparently it’s late due to a speed restriction.
The 1556 to King’s Lynn comes into p1 and leaves on time, with the 1550 now
marked as exp 1602. At 1559 a GBRF container train pulls into p1 from the
south, and concurrently there is an announcement that the delayed 1550 for
Liverpool Lime St, calling at Peterborogh and [about 57 other stations. . .
pause for breath] will now leave from platform 2. The nice ramped
underpass makes it pretty easy to get everyone across in time. The train
is now marked by RTT as 20 late at Ely North Junction. It arrives, we get
on, the train reverses and we leave only 17 late at 1608 (?).
RTT has us now passing Manea 20 late - not sure how that’s happened since
Ely North was 17 and we’re not hanging around. We’re now expected PBO at
1642. Our connection, 1S24, leaves at 1644. We were supposed to have 20
minutes to get from p6 to p2. Oh well.
18 minutes late at March, 20 again at Three Horseshoes. RTT now expecting
us at PBO at 1643.
This train, a 158, has really high-backed seats - obviously inspired by
gWr.
This is rapidly turning into A Tale Of Two Platforms, or maybe Two
Freightliners, or maybe just one Freightliner (OK, but “Two GBRFs” doesn’t
sound so good). Our train from Ely was booked into p6 at PBO. When we
arrived at 1647 we were in 7 and there was a line of containers and flats
just pulling out of p6. Turns out that was 4E43 from Felixstowe to
Peterborough North Yard, the same train that pinched our platform at Ely.
Perhaps we were delayed behind that coming from Ely.

1R78 regained time to only 14 late at Nottingham, but later was 42 late
approaching Liverpool!
No less than seven different delay reasons are listed, though three can be
easily ignored because they are automatically generated 1 minute allowances
for temporary speed restrictions.
SUMMARY: 4Z50 TRAIN PREP TROWSEY 14:53 DB Cargo contacted regarding the
late departure of 4Z50 216 mis late from Trowse to Angerstien Wharf -
advised that the customer was slow in unloading the train resulting in the
delay.
Delays
13 mins ATTLEBORO - THETFORD YD FOL-LATE
5 mins THETFORD - ELY NTHJN YD FOL-LATE
3 mins WHITTLSEA - PETERBORO YO PLATFORM
3 mins PETERBORO - HELPSTNJN
RAN SLOW DUE TO BEING DIVERTED TO PLAT 7 OLR
3 mins TALLNGTNJ - STOKEJUNC YA REG-ONTIME
6 mins EARLES SB - CHINLYNJN YC FOL-ONTIME
3 mins CHINLYNJN - HAZELGRVE YA REG-ONTIME
3S01 SIG TROWSEJ ATL TRC ADVISED THAT DELAYS CAUSED BY 3S01 IS DOWN TO
SIGNALLER AS THEY RELEASED THE TRAIN EARLY.
Delays
3 mins ELY NTHJN - MARCH YC FOL-ONTIME
3 mins MARCH - WHITTLSEA YC FOL-ONTIME
[Currently unlisted, either due to the desk responsible being unstaffed on
this shift, or the incident being of a sensitive nature]
There is however also a message: "18:11 14:55 Norwich to Liverpool Lime
Street due 20:29 will no longer call at Langley Mill. This is due to a
passenger being taken ill on a train."
Delays
3 mins IRONVILJN - CHESTRFLD
FTS LANGLEYML
2J21 BRAKE DEFECT CLI 17:48 MPSCC SSM advises that the driver of […] whilst
travelling on the down Bolton he witnessed sparks coming from a Northern
unit travelling in the Up direction […] 2J21 currently at a stand on the up
Bolton on the approach to MP516. [two more trains] currently at a stand in
rear of 2J21. 17:58 - Northern advises that 2J21 would be able to return to
Clifton where the passengers will detrain.
Delays
6 mins MANCR PIC YV HELD BACK
NEW PRIME CAUSE
6 mins MANCR PIC - MANCROXRD YP DIVERSION

So was our train held up by *everything* that went wrong yesterday, or was
it just unlucky?

Looks like both, I'd say! :D

[big grin][thumbs up]

Sam

[Anna Noyd-Dryver]

Post by Sam Wilson

Post by Anna Noyd-Dryver

Post by Sam Wilson

Post by Anna Noyd-Dryver

Post by Sam Wilson
. . . and return!
Our 1550 EMR from Ely to Peterborough, 1R78, is marked as 9 minutes late
at Ely, incoming from Norwich. P1 at Ely has a 4.5-car Stadler heading
north, there’s an 8-car Electrostar in the south end of p3, and a red
yellow thing in the siding at the south end of p1. While we’re there
another Stadler goes southwards, a 3-car EMR 170 terminates at the north
end of p3 and a RHTT runs past p3 and then comes back north through p1.
My, those things get mucky!
The display shows the 1550 as variously being expected at 1559, 1600, 1602,
1603, 1605 and so on. Apparently it’s late due to a speed restriction.
The 1556 to King’s Lynn comes into p1 and leaves on time, with the 1550 now
marked as exp 1602. At 1559 a GBRF container train pulls into p1 from the
south, and concurrently there is an announcement that the delayed 1550 for
Liverpool Lime St, calling at Peterborogh and [about 57 other stations. . .
pause for breath] will now leave from platform 2. The nice ramped
underpass makes it pretty easy to get everyone across in time. The train
is now marked by RTT as 20 late at Ely North Junction. It arrives, we get
on, the train reverses and we leave only 17 late at 1608 (?).
RTT has us now passing Manea 20 late - not sure how that’s happened since
Ely North was 17 and we’re not hanging around. We’re now expected PBO at
1642. Our connection, 1S24, leaves at 1644. We were supposed to have 20
minutes to get from p6 to p2. Oh well.
18 minutes late at March, 20 again at Three Horseshoes. RTT now expecting
us at PBO at 1643.
This train, a 158, has really high-backed seats - obviously inspired by
gWr.
This is rapidly turning into A Tale Of Two Platforms, or maybe Two
Freightliners, or maybe just one Freightliner (OK, but “Two GBRFs” doesn’t
sound so good). Our train from Ely was booked into p6 at PBO. When we
arrived at 1647 we were in 7 and there was a line of containers and flats
just pulling out of p6. Turns out that was 4E43 from Felixstowe to
Peterborough North Yard, the same train that pinched our platform at Ely.
Perhaps we were delayed behind that coming from Ely.

1R78 regained time to only 14 late at Nottingham, but later was 42 late
approaching Liverpool!
No less than seven different delay reasons are listed, though three can be
easily ignored because they are automatically generated 1 minute allowances
for temporary speed restrictions.
SUMMARY: 4Z50 TRAIN PREP TROWSEY 14:53 DB Cargo contacted regarding the
late departure of 4Z50 216 mis late from Trowse to Angerstien Wharf -
advised that the customer was slow in unloading the train resulting in the
delay.
Delays
13 mins ATTLEBORO - THETFORD YD FOL-LATE
5 mins THETFORD - ELY NTHJN YD FOL-LATE
3 mins WHITTLSEA - PETERBORO YO PLATFORM
3 mins PETERBORO - HELPSTNJN
RAN SLOW DUE TO BEING DIVERTED TO PLAT 7 OLR
3 mins TALLNGTNJ - STOKEJUNC YA REG-ONTIME
6 mins EARLES SB - CHINLYNJN YC FOL-ONTIME
3 mins CHINLYNJN - HAZELGRVE YA REG-ONTIME
3S01 SIG TROWSEJ ATL TRC ADVISED THAT DELAYS CAUSED BY 3S01 IS DOWN TO
SIGNALLER AS THEY RELEASED THE TRAIN EARLY.
Delays
3 mins ELY NTHJN - MARCH YC FOL-ONTIME
3 mins MARCH - WHITTLSEA YC FOL-ONTIME
[Currently unlisted, either due to the desk responsible being unstaffed on
this shift, or the incident being of a sensitive nature]
There is however also a message: "18:11 14:55 Norwich to Liverpool Lime
Street due 20:29 will no longer call at Langley Mill. This is due to a
passenger being taken ill on a train."
Delays
3 mins IRONVILJN - CHESTRFLD
FTS LANGLEYML
2J21 BRAKE DEFECT CLI 17:48 MPSCC SSM advises that the driver of […] whilst
travelling on the down Bolton he witnessed sparks coming from a Northern
unit travelling in the Up direction […] 2J21 currently at a stand on the up
Bolton on the approach to MP516. [two more trains] currently at a stand in
rear of 2J21. 17:58 - Northern advises that 2J21 would be able to return to
Clifton where the passengers will detrain.
Delays
6 mins MANCR PIC YV HELD BACK
NEW PRIME CAUSE
6 mins MANCR PIC - MANCROXRD YP DIVERSION

So was our train held up by *everything* that went wrong yesterday, or was
it just unlucky?

Looks like both, I'd say! :D

[big grin][thumbs up]

Certainly, it's unusual IMX to see quite to many different delays and delay
causes for one train.

[Bevan Price]

Post by Anna Noyd-Dryver

Post by Sam Wilson
. . . and return!
Our 1550 EMR from Ely to Peterborough, 1R78, is marked as 9 minutes late
at Ely, incoming from Norwich. P1 at Ely has a 4.5-car Stadler heading
north, there’s an 8-car Electrostar in the south end of p3, and a red
yellow thing in the siding at the south end of p1. While we’re there
another Stadler goes southwards, a 3-car EMR 170 terminates at the north
end of p3 and a RHTT runs past p3 and then comes back north through p1.
My, those things get mucky!
The display shows the 1550 as variously being expected at 1559, 1600, 1602,
1603, 1605 and so on. Apparently it’s late due to a speed restriction.
The 1556 to King’s Lynn comes into p1 and leaves on time, with the 1550 now
marked as exp 1602. At 1559 a GBRF container train pulls into p1 from the
south, and concurrently there is an announcement that the delayed 1550 for
Liverpool Lime St, calling at Peterborogh and [about 57 other stations. . .
pause for breath] will now leave from platform 2. The nice ramped
underpass makes it pretty easy to get everyone across in time. The train
is now marked by RTT as 20 late at Ely North Junction. It arrives, we get
on, the train reverses and we leave only 17 late at 1608 (?).
RTT has us now passing Manea 20 late - not sure how that’s happened since
Ely North was 17 and we’re not hanging around. We’re now expected PBO at
1642. Our connection, 1S24, leaves at 1644. We were supposed to have 20
minutes to get from p6 to p2. Oh well.
18 minutes late at March, 20 again at Three Horseshoes. RTT now expecting
us at PBO at 1643.
This train, a 158, has really high-backed seats - obviously inspired by
gWr.
This is rapidly turning into A Tale Of Two Platforms, or maybe Two
Freightliners, or maybe just one Freightliner (OK, but “Two GBRFs” doesn’t
sound so good). Our train from Ely was booked into p6 at PBO. When we
arrived at 1647 we were in 7 and there was a line of containers and flats
just pulling out of p6. Turns out that was 4E43 from Felixstowe to
Peterborough North Yard, the same train that pinched our platform at Ely.
Perhaps we were delayed behind that coming from Ely.

1R78 regained time to only 14 late at Nottingham, but later was 42 late
approaching Liverpool!
No less than seven different delay reasons are listed, though three can be
easily ignored because they are automatically generated 1 minute allowances
for temporary speed restrictions.
SUMMARY: 4Z50 TRAIN PREP TROWSEY 14:53 DB Cargo contacted regarding the
late departure of 4Z50 216 mis late from Trowse to Angerstien Wharf -
advised that the customer was slow in unloading the train resulting in the
delay.
Delays
13 mins ATTLEBORO - THETFORD YD FOL-LATE
5 mins THETFORD - ELY NTHJN YD FOL-LATE
3 mins WHITTLSEA - PETERBORO YO PLATFORM
3 mins PETERBORO - HELPSTNJN
RAN SLOW DUE TO BEING DIVERTED TO PLAT 7 OLR
3 mins TALLNGTNJ - STOKEJUNC YA REG-ONTIME
6 mins EARLES SB - CHINLYNJN YC FOL-ONTIME
3 mins CHINLYNJN - HAZELGRVE YA REG-ONTIME
3S01 SIG TROWSEJ ATL TRC ADVISED THAT DELAYS CAUSED BY 3S01 IS DOWN TO
SIGNALLER AS THEY RELEASED THE TRAIN EARLY.
Delays
3 mins ELY NTHJN - MARCH YC FOL-ONTIME
3 mins MARCH - WHITTLSEA YC FOL-ONTIME
[Currently unlisted, either due to the desk responsible being unstaffed on
this shift, or the incident being of a sensitive nature]
There is however also a message: "18:11 14:55 Norwich to Liverpool Lime
Street due 20:29 will no longer call at Langley Mill. This is due to a
passenger being taken ill on a train."
Delays
3 mins IRONVILJN - CHESTRFLD
FTS LANGLEYML
2J21 BRAKE DEFECT CLI 17:48 MPSCC SSM advises that the driver of […] whilst
travelling on the down Bolton he witnessed sparks coming from a Northern
unit travelling in the Up direction […] 2J21 currently at a stand on the up
Bolton on the approach to MP516. [two more trains] currently at a stand in
rear of 2J21. 17:58 - Northern advises that 2J21 would be able to return to
Clifton where the passengers will detrain.
Delays
6 mins MANCR PIC YV HELD BACK
NEW PRIME CAUSE
6 mins MANCR PIC - MANCROXRD YP DIVERSION

RTT shows a slightly different tale. The 158 was replaced at Nottingham
by a pair of 3 car Class 170s -- and it appears that it did call at
Langley Mill.

Between Hope and Chinley, it was stuck behind a freight which should
have been - but wasn't - looped at Earles Sidings.

And finally - the almost inevitable delays when late running trains try
to access platforms at Manchester Piccadilly & Oxford Road.


And later, the 15:52 Norwich - Liverpool, the last through service of
the day, was terminated at Nottingham "due to an issue with the train crew".

[Roland Perry]

Post by Bevan Price
And later, the 15:52 Norwich - Liverpool, the last through service of
the day, was terminated at Nottingham "due to an issue with the train crew".

Which means the booked Nottingham-Liverpool train crew threw a sickie.

[Coffee]

Post by Roland Perry

Post by Bevan Price
And later, the 15:52 Norwich - Liverpool, the last through service of
the day, was terminated at Nottingham "due to an issue with the train crew".

Which means the booked Nottingham-Liverpool train crew threw a sickie.

That it one of the possible meanings.

[Roland Perry]

Post by Coffee

Post by Roland Perry

Post by Bevan Price
And later, the 15:52 Norwich - Liverpool, the last through service
of the day, was terminated at Nottingham "due to an issue with the
train crew".

Which means the booked Nottingham-Liverpool train crew threw a sickie.

That it one of the possible meanings.

I suppose a driver could have turned up for work then tripped over and
broken his leg, but normally it's obvious what that phrase means. They
have a new coded message for "Oops we screwed up the rostas": 'Planning
error'.