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The new GBR logo
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Recliner
2022-02-10 17:29:08 UTC
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They've rolled the arrows of indecision in the Union Jack:

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Graeme Wall
2022-02-10 17:52:23 UTC
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Patriotism, the last refuge of the Scoundrel.
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Recliner
2022-02-10 21:48:47 UTC
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Patriotism, the last refuge of the Scoundrel.
It reminded me of how ministers, including Shapps, always try to appear in
front of it.
Graeme Wall
2022-02-10 22:10:40 UTC
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Patriotism, the last refuge of the Scoundrel.
It reminded me of how ministers, including Shapps, always try to appear in
front of it.
All part of the Trump Tribute Act.
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Arthur Figgis
2022-02-11 18:22:44 UTC
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Patriotism, the last refuge of the Scoundrel.
It reminded me of how ministers, including Shapps, always try to appear in
front of it.
All part of the Trump Tribute Act.
Seen a ScotRail train? Flag livery and a "local railway for local
people" slogan.
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Graeme Wall
2022-02-11 18:58:44 UTC
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Patriotism, the last refuge of the Scoundrel.
It reminded me of how ministers, including Shapps, always try to appear in
front of it.
All part of the Trump Tribute Act.
Seen a ScotRail train? Flag livery and a "local railway for local
people" slogan.
Last Scotrail train I saw was at Dalmuir in 2015, Saltires and St
Andrew's blue. No slogans
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Charles Ellson
2022-02-11 21:54:46 UTC
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Patriotism, the last refuge of the Scoundrel.
It reminded me of how ministers, including Shapps, always try to appear in
front of it.
All part of the Trump Tribute Act.
Seen a ScotRail train? Flag livery and a "local railway for local
people" slogan.
Last Scotrail train I saw was at Dalmuir in 2015, Saltires and St
Andrew's blue. No slogans
The usual small print is "Scotland's Railway" below the main ScotRail
logo but that slogan is not exclusive to ScotRail.
https://www.networkrail.co.uk/running-the-railway/our-regions/scotland/

Other sub-titles/slogans have been used:-
https://www.flickr.com/photos/stevenage91/28684446427
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Sam Wilson
2022-02-11 22:11:27 UTC
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Patriotism, the last refuge of the Scoundrel.
It reminded me of how ministers, including Shapps, always try to appear in
front of it.
All part of the Trump Tribute Act.
Seen a ScotRail train? Flag livery and a "local railway for local
people" slogan.
Last Scotrail train I saw was at Dalmuir in 2015, Saltires and St
Andrew's blue. No slogans
The usual small print is "Scotland's Railway" below the main ScotRail
logo but that slogan is not exclusive to ScotRail.
https://www.networkrail.co.uk/running-the-railway/our-regions/scotland/
Other sub-titles/slogans have been used:-
https://www.flickr.com/photos/stevenage91/28684446427
[snip]
That’s just bilingual signage, of course.

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2022-02-12 00:37:29 UTC
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Patriotism, the last refuge of the Scoundrel.
It reminded me of how ministers, including Shapps, always try to appear in
front of it.
All part of the Trump Tribute Act.
Seen a ScotRail train? Flag livery and a "local railway for local
people" slogan.
Last Scotrail train I saw was at Dalmuir in 2015, Saltires and St
Andrew's blue. No slogans
The usual small print is "Scotland's Railway" below the main ScotRail
logo but that slogan is not exclusive to ScotRail.
https://www.networkrail.co.uk/running-the-railway/our-regions/scotland/
Other sub-titles/slogans have been used:-
https://www.flickr.com/photos/stevenage91/28684446427
[snip]
That’s just bilingual signage, of course.
Sam
I'm under the impression that Gaelic is not an easy language to learn.
Charles Ellson
2022-02-12 03:33:00 UTC
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Patriotism, the last refuge of the Scoundrel.
It reminded me of how ministers, including Shapps, always try to appear in
front of it.
All part of the Trump Tribute Act.
Seen a ScotRail train? Flag livery and a "local railway for local
people" slogan.
Last Scotrail train I saw was at Dalmuir in 2015, Saltires and St
Andrew's blue. No slogans
The usual small print is "Scotland's Railway" below the main ScotRail
logo but that slogan is not exclusive to ScotRail.
https://www.networkrail.co.uk/running-the-railway/our-regions/scotland/
Other sub-titles/slogans have been used:-
https://www.flickr.com/photos/stevenage91/28684446427
[snip]
That’s just bilingual signage, of course.
Sam
I'm under the impression that Gaelic is not an easy language to learn.
Like many other languages, it is more consistent than English in the
Scots and Irish versions; Manx Gaelic uses what is effectively English
phonetic spellings which causes some inconsistency in the written
form. There are slightly fewer letters in the Gaelic alphabet but
vowels are varied with accents.
Ken
2022-02-12 10:42:44 UTC
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Patriotism, the last refuge of the Scoundrel.
It reminded me of how ministers, including Shapps, always try to appear in
front of it.
All part of the Trump Tribute Act.
Seen a ScotRail train? Flag livery and a "local railway for local
people" slogan.
The second-smartest livery on the railways, after TPE. It's coherent
and relevant. I feel there's a difference between Scotland's pride in
their nation, and its railway, and Westminster's cosying up the
flag-shaggers.

This new GBR logo is horrible. I thought so when I first saw it.
Having been reminded of the Design Guide I realise why; it's the lack
of symmetry caused by trying to match the Union Flag's wide and narrow
white strips.
Arthur Figgis
2022-02-14 18:39:00 UTC
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Patriotism, the last refuge of the Scoundrel.
It reminded me of how ministers, including Shapps, always try to appear in
front of it.
All part of the Trump Tribute Act.
Seen a ScotRail train? Flag livery and a "local railway for local
people" slogan.
The second-smartest livery on the railways, after TPE. It's coherent
and relevant. I feel there's a difference between Scotland's pride in
their nation, and its railway, and Westminster's cosying up the
flag-shaggers.
And what is that difference? (My experience is that it seems to involve
the demographics someone observed on a bus or train when they once went
to London)
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2022-02-12 19:53:41 UTC
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Seen a ScotRail train? Flag livery and a "local railway for local
people" slogan.
I wonder if they have a shop on board.
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2022-02-10 21:47:34 UTC
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That's a good find.

We had a talk by the Patent Office as part of our introduction when I
became a civil servant. One of the things he pointed out to us that
trawling recent patent applications, trade marks, etc often most
revealing and he didn't understand why journalists didn't do so.

I don't like them but I guess I shouldn't be very surprised.
Recliner
2022-02-10 21:55:59 UTC
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That's a good find.
We had a talk by the Patent Office as part of our introduction when I
became a civil servant. One of the things he pointed out to us that
trawling recent patent applications, trade marks, etc often most
revealing and he didn't understand why journalists didn't do so.
I don't like them but I guess I shouldn't be very surprised.
How long, I wonder, before the SNP demands that different colours be used
in Scotland?
Graeme Wall
2022-02-10 22:11:30 UTC
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That's a good find.
We had a talk by the Patent Office as part of our introduction when I
became a civil servant. One of the things he pointed out to us that
trawling recent patent applications, trade marks, etc often most
revealing and he didn't understand why journalists didn't do so.
I don't like them but I guess I shouldn't be very surprised.
How long, I wonder, before the SNP demands that different colours be used
in Scotland?
Quickly followed by the Welsh demanding an indecisive dragon.
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Charles Ellson
2022-02-11 06:44:27 UTC
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That's a good find.
We had a talk by the Patent Office as part of our introduction when I
became a civil servant. One of the things he pointed out to us that
trawling recent patent applications, trade marks, etc often most
revealing and he didn't understand why journalists didn't do so.
I don't like them but I guess I shouldn't be very surprised.
How long, I wonder, before the SNP demands that different colours be used
in Scotland?
No demand needed, ScotRail is due for nationalisation by the Scottish
Government:-
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-56432919
Graeme Wall
2022-02-11 08:47:30 UTC
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That's a good find.
We had a talk by the Patent Office as part of our introduction when I
became a civil servant. One of the things he pointed out to us that
trawling recent patent applications, trade marks, etc often most
revealing and he didn't understand why journalists didn't do so.
I don't like them but I guess I shouldn't be very surprised.
How long, I wonder, before the SNP demands that different colours be used
in Scotland?
No demand needed, ScotRail is due for nationalisation by the Scottish
Government:-
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-56432919
So we need a new logo for Little England Railways.
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Charles Ellson
2022-02-11 21:17:48 UTC
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That's a good find.
We had a talk by the Patent Office as part of our introduction when I
became a civil servant. One of the things he pointed out to us that
trawling recent patent applications, trade marks, etc often most
revealing and he didn't understand why journalists didn't do so.
I don't like them but I guess I shouldn't be very surprised.
How long, I wonder, before the SNP demands that different colours be used
in Scotland?
No demand needed, ScotRail is due for nationalisation by the Scottish
Government:-
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-56432919
So we need a new logo for Little England Railways.
Or an old one that is already in the same colours (presuming a white
background) as the English flag?
Recliner
2022-02-11 14:24:05 UTC
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That's a good find.
We had a talk by the Patent Office as part of our introduction when I
became a civil servant. One of the things he pointed out to us that
trawling recent patent applications, trade marks, etc often most
revealing and he didn't understand why journalists didn't do so.
I don't like them but I guess I shouldn't be very surprised.
How long, I wonder, before the SNP demands that different colours be used
in Scotland?
No demand needed, ScotRail is due for nationalisation by the Scottish
Government:-
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-56432919
ScotRail doesn't own the tracks.
Charles Ellson
2022-02-11 21:24:32 UTC
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That's a good find.
We had a talk by the Patent Office as part of our introduction when I
became a civil servant. One of the things he pointed out to us that
trawling recent patent applications, trade marks, etc often most
revealing and he didn't understand why journalists didn't do so.
I don't like them but I guess I shouldn't be very surprised.
How long, I wonder, before the SNP demands that different colours be used
in Scotland?
No demand needed, ScotRail is due for nationalisation by the Scottish
Government:-
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-56432919
ScotRail doesn't own the tracks.
Neither do any other TOCs.
Recliner
2022-02-11 23:38:19 UTC
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That's a good find.
We had a talk by the Patent Office as part of our introduction when I
became a civil servant. One of the things he pointed out to us that
trawling recent patent applications, trade marks, etc often most
revealing and he didn't understand why journalists didn't do so.
I don't like them but I guess I shouldn't be very surprised.
How long, I wonder, before the SNP demands that different colours be used
in Scotland?
No demand needed, ScotRail is due for nationalisation by the Scottish
Government:-
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-56432919
ScotRail doesn't own the tracks.
Neither do any other TOCs.
And none of the TOCs choose the GBR logo.
Roland Perry
2022-02-12 06:21:55 UTC
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That's a good find.
We had a talk by the Patent Office as part of our introduction when I
became a civil servant. One of the things he pointed out to us that
trawling recent patent applications, trade marks, etc often most
revealing and he didn't understand why journalists didn't do so.
I don't like them but I guess I shouldn't be very surprised.
How long, I wonder, before the SNP demands that different colours be used
in Scotland?
No demand needed, ScotRail is due for nationalisation by the Scottish
Government:-
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-56432919
ScotRail doesn't own the tracks.
Neither do any other TOCs.
Apart from HEx and the Heathrow branch. NRE thinks London Underground is
a TOC, too.
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Tweed
2022-02-12 07:39:36 UTC
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That's a good find.
We had a talk by the Patent Office as part of our introduction when I
became a civil servant. One of the things he pointed out to us that
trawling recent patent applications, trade marks, etc often most
revealing and he didn't understand why journalists didn't do so.
I don't like them but I guess I shouldn't be very surprised.
How long, I wonder, before the SNP demands that different colours be used
in Scotland?
No demand needed, ScotRail is due for nationalisation by the Scottish
Government:-
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-56432919
ScotRail doesn't own the tracks.
Neither do any other TOCs.
Apart from HEx and the Heathrow branch. NRE thinks London Underground is
a TOC, too.
HEx is operated by GWR these days, so even there the TOC doesn’t own the
track.
Roland Perry
2022-02-12 09:22:01 UTC
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That's a good find.
We had a talk by the Patent Office as part of our introduction when I
became a civil servant. One of the things he pointed out to us that
trawling recent patent applications, trade marks, etc often most
revealing and he didn't understand why journalists didn't do so.
I don't like them but I guess I shouldn't be very surprised.
How long, I wonder, before the SNP demands that different colours be used
in Scotland?
No demand needed, ScotRail is due for nationalisation by the Scottish
Government:-
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-56432919
ScotRail doesn't own the tracks.
Neither do any other TOCs.
Apart from HEx and the Heathrow branch. NRE thinks London Underground is
a TOC, too.
HEx is operated by GWR these days, so even there the TOC doesn’t own the
track.
Send a memo to NRE to get HEx taken off their list of TOCs then?

Although I think you are looking at the wrong layer, because London
Overground is also listed, and we know that's outsourced too.
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2022-02-12 12:31:34 UTC
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That's a good find.
We had a talk by the Patent Office as part of our introduction when I
became a civil servant. One of the things he pointed out to us that
trawling recent patent applications, trade marks, etc often most
revealing and he didn't understand why journalists didn't do so.
I don't like them but I guess I shouldn't be very surprised.
How long, I wonder, before the SNP demands that different colours be used
in Scotland?
No demand needed, ScotRail is due for nationalisation by the Scottish
Government:-
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-56432919
ScotRail doesn't own the tracks.
Neither do any other TOCs.
Hasn't part of the Valleys rail network been handed over to TfW?
Recliner
2022-02-12 22:22:58 UTC
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That's a good find.
We had a talk by the Patent Office as part of our introduction when I
became a civil servant. One of the things he pointed out to us that
trawling recent patent applications, trade marks, etc often most
revealing and he didn't understand why journalists didn't do so.
I don't like them but I guess I shouldn't be very surprised.
How long, I wonder, before the SNP demands that different colours be used
in Scotland?
No demand needed, ScotRail is due for nationalisation by the Scottish
Government:-
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-56432919
ScotRail doesn't own the tracks.
Neither do any other TOCs.
Hasn't part of the Valleys rail network been handed over to TfW?
Yes, good point.
Sam Wilson
2022-02-11 10:22:17 UTC
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That’s a visually awkward design. They’ve kept the unequal white diagonal
stripes on the upper and lower limbs but by making them equal in the middle
they’ve introduced a vignetting effect. More indecision. Yuck.

Sam
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That’s a visually awkward design. They’ve kept the unequal white diagonal
stripes on the upper and lower limbs but by making them equal in the middle
they’ve introduced a vignetting effect. More indecision. Yuck.
It does feel rather clumsy - in particular the red/blue contrast isn't so
good when displayed at a small scale. I can imagine it not working very
well on signage and similar that needs to be viewed from afar, or in
publications like maps that print it small. Maybe the blue background will
have to be optional?

Theo
Anna Noyd-Dryver
2022-02-12 04:47:09 UTC
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Post by Recliner
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Tim Dunn points out an interesting side-fact about this:

<https://twitter.com/mrtimdunn/status/1492146146181103621?s=21>

"You may have opinions on the new "GBR" logo. BUT! More importantly:
someone, cleverly, has played a blinder. After years of misuse, SOMEONE on
the inside has FINALLY reasserted Gerry Barney's original 1965 BR logo with
its correct proportions: it’ll be enshrined in law. Well played!"

(Recently several versions of the logo with incorrect proportions have been
used on station signs etc.)

<https://twitter.com/mrtimdunn/status/1492150423930736644?s=21>

"Whoever you are, you are a hero. The blue bits will prob be revised out in
years to come; til then you have saved one of the greatest C20 icons of
design from a terrible fate."

<https://twitter.com/mrtimdunn/status/1492321954279399425?s=21>

"(for the avoidance of doubt: I am speaking here about the red bits, not
the blue bits. Ignore the blue. Design enthusiasts will recall many
horrific deformations of the core BR logo by various rail orgs recently.
Someone has fixed the proportions! The BR logo is back. Officially)"

Meanwhile as Graeme noticed in another thread, several people have noticed
that this is simply a little-used version of the BR logo originally created
in the 1960s, with the area of blue made wider!

<https://twitter.com/danbarker/status/1491781394875310094?s=21>


Anna Noyd-Dryver

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Theo
2022-02-12 11:42:43 UTC
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Post by Anna Noyd-Dryver
Meanwhile as Graeme noticed in another thread, several people have noticed
that this is simply a little-used version of the BR logo originally created
in the 1960s, with the area of blue made wider!
<https://twitter.com/danbarker/status/1491781394875310094?s=21>
That was featured on the cover of a book of BR designs, published by the
Danish Design Council in 1986:
http://page-spread.com/british-rail-design/
It's rather interesting as an homage to BR design from a Danish railways
perspective.

I have to say I prefer the one with the smaller blue area - it stands out at
a distance better when you can't discern the colours.

Theo
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