My annual xmas period travel takes me on 159s Waterloo - Salisbury -

Exeter. One leg Waterloo to Salisbury this year was 3x159 i.e. 9 cars.

I know this is not unusual, SWT always has had such workings, there

are a few every day, including Sundays.

My question is, from are these the longest *regular* booked DMU trains

in *current* UK rail operations, apart from any FGW VXC 180 220 221

trains that is ?

Comedians please note by 'long DMU' I am asking about the physical

length of the train, not the length of the service in time or

distance.

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*Post by D7666*My annual xmas period travel takes me on 159s Waterloo - Salisbury -

Exeter. One leg Waterloo to Salisbury this year was 3x159 i.e. 9 cars.

I know this is not unusual, SWT always has had such workings, there

are a few every day, including Sundays.

My question is, from are these the longest *regular* booked DMU trains

in *current* UK rail operations, apart from any FGW VXC 180 220 221

trains that is ?

Comedians please note by 'long DMU' I am asking about the physical

length of the train, not the length of the service in time or

distance.

Someone will now surely put HSt in as an answer.

Perhaps should have written DMU for this question to me non high speed

sub 101 mph DMU.

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*Post by D7666*My annual xmas period travel takes me on 159s Waterloo - Salisbury -

Exeter. One leg Waterloo to Salisbury this year was 3x159 i.e. 9 cars.

I know this is not unusual, SWT always has had such workings, there

are a few every day, including Sundays.

My question is, from are these the longest *regular* booked DMU trains

in *current* UK rail operations, apart from any FGW VXC 180 220 221

trains that is ?

Comedians please note by 'long DMU' I am asking about the physical

length of the train, not the length of the service in time or

distance.

Well, up in Scotland the longest at present is I think 6 cars (2x170)

Alan

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*Post by D7666*My annual xmas period travel takes me on 159s Waterloo - Salisbury -

Exeter. One leg Waterloo to Salisbury this year was 3x159 i.e. 9 cars.

I know this is not unusual, SWT always has had such workings, there

are a few every day, including Sundays.

My question is, from are these the longest *regular* booked DMU trains

in *current* UK rail operations, apart from any FGW VXC 180 220 221

trains that is ?

Comedians please note by 'long DMU' I am asking about the physical

length of the train, not the length of the service in time or

distance.

I don't know about passenger workings but there used to be a daily 12 car

165 empty stock working between Princes Risborough and Aylesbury in the

evenings. 12 cars by the way is the maximum train length for 165s and 168s.

*Post by Alan Norris**Post by D7666*My annual xmas period travel takes me on 159s Waterloo - Salisbury -

Exeter. One leg Waterloo to Salisbury this year was 3x159 i.e. 9 cars.

I know this is not unusual, SWT always has had such workings, there

are a few every day, including Sundays.

My question is, from are these the longest *regular* booked DMU trains

in *current* UK rail operations, apart from any FGW VXC 180 220 221

trains that is ?

Comedians please note by 'long DMU' I am asking about the physical

length of the train, not the length of the service in time or

distance.

Well, up in Scotland the longest at present is I think 6 cars (2x170)

Alan

Didn't Scotrail run an 8-car football special from Dundee to Glasgow earlier

this year? Something like 2x158 + 2x150?

GreenArrow

*Post by roger.marks**Post by D7666*My annual xmas period travel takes me on 159s Waterloo - Salisbury -

Exeter. One leg Waterloo to Salisbury this year was 3x159 i.e. 9 cars.

I know this is not unusual, SWT always has had such workings, there

are a few every day, including Sundays.

My question is, from are these the longest *regular* booked DMU trains

in *current* UK rail operations, apart from any FGW VXC 180 220 221

trains that is ?

Comedians please note by 'long DMU' I am asking about the physical

length of the train, not the length of the service in time or

distance.

I don't know about passenger workings but there used to be a daily 12 car

165 empty stock working between Princes Risborough and Aylesbury in the

evenings. 12 cars by the way is the maximum train length for 165s and 168s.

I saw a 20 vehicle working on Friday 19th December, only about 100

passengers on board. Caused quite a stir among the few hardy platform enders

who saw it. But having just seen the third paragraph it won't count!

*Post by Alan Norris**Post by D7666*My annual xmas period travel takes me on 159s Waterloo - Salisbury -

Exeter. One leg Waterloo to Salisbury this year was 3x159 i.e. 9 cars.

I know this is not unusual, SWT always has had such workings, there

are a few every day, including Sundays.

My question is, from are these the longest *regular* booked DMU trains

in *current* UK rail operations, apart from any FGW VXC 180 220 221

trains that is ?

Well, up in Scotland the longest at present is I think 6 cars (2x170)

Alan

There are two early morning ECS workings in Scotland that comprise 4 x

Class 156s from Corkerhill to Glasgow Central, Monday to Friday

The top-end unit then returns to Corkerhill, returnign with a further

3 x Class 156 units, effectively leaving 7 units in the station,

eventually forming 3 sets of 2 units, and 1 single set

All the pairs then work on East Kilbride and Kilmarnock, while the

single set works on Whifflet

In general public passenger service the maximum DMU permitted in

Scotland is currently 4 units, but the longest of the diagrams are for

2 x Class 170s

The maximum operational length permitted is up to 5 units

*Post by D7666*My question is, from are these the longest *regular* booked DMU trains

in *current* UK rail operations, apart from any FGW VXC 180 220 221

trains that is ?

I saw many a 09:51 ?[1] train from Leicester to Lincoln formed of 7-9

coaches (most I saw was a 3 car 170, a 2 car 170, a 2 car 158 and a 156) but

the norm was 153, 156 and then 2 either 158 or 170's, although I saw 150's

occasionally, and I remeber seeing a long formation on this train everytime

I waited for the 10:07 ? to Brum... was always interesting to see.

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[1] Sorry for the sketchy times, I haven't travelled from Leicester for a

good few months

*Post by Marcus Kerr*There are two early morning ECS workings in Scotland that comprise 4 x

Class 156s from Corkerhill to Glasgow Central, Monday to Friday

The top-end unit then returns to Corkerhill, returnign with a further

3 x Class 156 units, effectively leaving 7 units in the station,

eventually forming 3 sets of 2 units, and 1 single set

All the pairs then work on East Kilbride and Kilmarnock, while the

single set works on Whifflet

In general public passenger service the maximum DMU permitted in

Scotland is currently 4 units, but the longest of the diagrams are for

2 x Class 170s

Also, earlier this year I was on a Glasgow QS to Edinburgh train

which was made up of 3 x Class 158's.

James H

On 29 Dec 2003 01:38:28 -0800 someone who may be

*Post by Marcus Kerr*There are two early morning ECS workings in Scotland that comprise 4 x

Class 156s from Corkerhill to Glasgow Central, Monday to Friday

One can see empty trains of similar length between Waverley station

and Haymarket depot. They are formed of any variety of modern DMU in

any order.

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I would suggest 2 5-car voyagers, but strictly speaking they're

DEMUs, and working in multiple is not particularly regular for them.

I'm pretty sure Anglia Railways has regular 9-coach DMU trains made of

170s on the London to Ipswich and Norwich route (some bits then able

to break off and provide a direct service to the branch lines).

*Post by D7666*My question is, from are these the longest *regular* booked DMU trains

in *current* UK rail operations, apart from any FGW VXC 180 220 221

trains that is ?

Ty for responses.

Reading all of them so far, it seems 8 or 9 cars of 3x3 or 4x2 or

similar is a sort of 'maximum permitted' for passengers which I suppose

is pretty obviously platform length related.

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*Post by Jon Porter**Post by D7666*My question is, from are these the longest *regular* booked DMU

trains in *current* UK rail operations, apart from any FGW VXC 180

220 221 trains that is ?

I saw a 20 vehicle working on Friday 19th December, only about 100

passengers on board. Caused quite a stir among the few hardy platform

enders who saw it. But having just seen the third paragraph it won't

count!

4 x Class 180 or 4 x Class 221 ?

David

Marcus Kerr wrote this:-

*Post by David Hansen**Post by Marcus Kerr*There are two early morning ECS workings in Scotland that comprise 4 x

Class 156s from Corkerhill to Glasgow Central, Monday to Friday

One can see empty trains of similar length between Waverley station

and Haymarket depot. They are formed of any variety of modern DMU in

any order.

Its a few months now since I've observed overnight ECS working between

Edinburgh and HA, but a similar process applies except that there are

no return ECS workings as the staff travel between Edinburgh and HA by

taxi

There is also a restriction on operational train length entering the

depot, which used to be 4 x 2-car units, but this has been relaxed to

a total of 9-cars now to allow up 3 x Class 170 units to access the

depot

*Post by gwr4090**Post by Jon Porter**Post by D7666*My question is, from are these the longest *regular* booked DMU

trains in *current* UK rail operations, apart from any FGW VXC 180

220 221 trains that is ?

I saw a 20 vehicle working on Friday 19th December, only about 100

passengers on board. Caused quite a stir among the few hardy platform

enders who saw it. But having just seen the third paragraph it won't

count!

4 x Class 180 or 4 x Class 221 ?

David

Two HST's coupled together. Well it was the Friday before Christmas and

services were busy.....

*Post by Nick Lawford**Post by D7666*My question is, from are these the longest *regular* booked DMU trains

in *current* UK rail operations, apart from any FGW VXC 180 220 221

trains that is ?

Ty for responses.

Reading all of them so far, it seems 8 or 9 cars of 3x3 or 4x2 or

similar is a sort of 'maximum permitted' for passengers which I suppose

is pretty obviously platform length related.

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Nick

ISTR an 11-car mixed set running ECS northbound on the ECML passing the

Sidings Hotel at York in the early evening when I stayed there a few years

ago. IIRC the formation was 2x142 + 3-car 158 + 2-car 158 + 2x153.

I suspect this would have been a York (or Neville Hill?) to Heaton ECS move?

Also it may only have had one 142 on the front so may only have been a

9-car. Bet the driver wasn't chuffed at the 142 being on the front!

HTH

GreenArrow

*Post by Nick Lawford**Post by D7666*My annual xmas period travel takes me on 159s Waterloo - Salisbury -

Exeter. One leg Waterloo to Salisbury this year was 3x159 i.e. 9 cars.

I know this is not unusual, SWT always has had such workings, there

are a few every day, including Sundays.

My question is, from are these the longest *regular* booked DMU trains

in *current* UK rail operations, apart from any FGW VXC 180 220 221

trains that is ?

Comedians please note by 'long DMU' I am asking about the physical

length of the train, not the length of the service in time or

distance.

Someone will now surely put HSt in as an answer.

Cue mega-thread on whether HSTs are DMUs or not!

2 five-car Voyagers possibly?

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*Post by Tom Cumming*I would suggest 2 5-car voyagers, but strictly speaking they're

DEMUs, and working in multiple is not particularly regular for them.

I'm sure multiple sets work through Southampton regularly, but possibly 4 car

units

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*Post by Tom Cumming*I would suggest 2 5-car voyagers, but strictly speaking they're

DEMUs, and working in multiple is not particularly regular for them.

Pairs of 5 car Adelante dmus are regularly diagrammed on peak services I

believe.

David