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HST power car 43238 in its new NRM livery
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G***@live.co.uk
2015-09-22 20:17:24 UTC
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A photo of 43238 at Kings Cross today in its new NRM livery and with nameplates covered (due to be named tomorrow):

https://www.flickr.com/photos/***@N02/21443435838/in/dateposted-public/

I calculate that HST power cars have carried 22 different liveries between them, excluding one-offs, namely:

BR blue/yellow
InterCity first livery with BR arrows:
InterCity swallow
Great Western "Merlin"
FGW green "fag packet"
FGW purple stripes
FGW plain purple
GWR green
Midland Main Line green
MML blue/grey
East Midlands Trains
Virgin XC
Virgin (no logo, as used on WCML)
GNER blue with silver lettering
GNER blue with gold lettering
NXEC
East Coast (DOR)
EC with Virgin red stripe
Virgin EC
Grand Central black
Grand Central black/orange
NR yellow.

Can any other loco or MU type beat that?
Graeme Wall
2015-09-22 20:26:39 UTC
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BR blue/yellow
InterCity swallow
Great Western "Merlin"
FGW green "fag packet"
FGW purple stripes
FGW plain purple
GWR green
Midland Main Line green
MML blue/grey
East Midlands Trains
Virgin XC
Virgin (no logo, as used on WCML)
GNER blue with silver lettering
GNER blue with gold lettering
NXEC
East Coast (DOR)
EC with Virgin red stripe
Virgin EC
Grand Central black
Grand Central black/orange
NR yellow.
23 if you count the prototype BR grey/blue scheme
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G***@live.co.uk
2015-09-22 20:47:34 UTC
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BR blue/yellow
InterCity swallow
Great Western "Merlin"
FGW green "fag packet"
FGW purple stripes
FGW plain purple
GWR green
Midland Main Line green
MML blue/grey
East Midlands Trains
Virgin XC
Virgin (no logo, as used on WCML)
GNER blue with silver lettering
GNER blue with gold lettering
NXEC
East Coast (DOR)
EC with Virgin red stripe
Virgin EC
Grand Central black
Grand Central black/orange
NR yellow.
23 if you count the prototype BR grey/blue scheme
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Graeme Wall
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I also forgot Arriva XC! I don't count the grey/blue scheme because only the prototype cars carried it, but that is, I admit, splitting hairs on what is intended to be a light-hearted discussion.
Graeme Wall
2015-09-23 06:14:27 UTC
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BR blue/yellow
InterCity swallow
Great Western "Merlin"
FGW green "fag packet"
FGW purple stripes
FGW plain purple
GWR green
Midland Main Line green
MML blue/grey
East Midlands Trains
Virgin XC
Virgin (no logo, as used on WCML)
GNER blue with silver lettering
GNER blue with gold lettering
NXEC
East Coast (DOR)
EC with Virgin red stripe
Virgin EC
Grand Central black
Grand Central black/orange
NR yellow.
23 if you count the prototype BR grey/blue scheme
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Graeme Wall
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I also forgot Arriva XC! I don't count the grey/blue scheme because only the prototype cars carried it, but that is, I admit, splitting hairs on what is intended to be a light-hearted discussion.
Weren't there two Virgin XC schemes? The original was a lot more fussy
as I recall or was that only carried by loco-hauled stock?
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Neil Williams
2015-09-23 08:15:40 UTC
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Weren't there two Virgin XC schemes? The original was a lot more fussy
as I recall or was that only carried by loco-hauled stock?
Was on an HST:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/jonf45sphotos/10558878593

Not much different, though.

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Graeme Wall
2015-09-23 08:31:57 UTC
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Weren't there two Virgin XC schemes? The original was a lot more
fussy as I recall or was that only carried by loco-hauled stock?
https://www.flickr.com/photos/jonf45sphotos/10558878593
Not much different, though.
Neil
That's the one I was thinking of. Latterly they lost the XC so not as
much a change as I thought.
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Graeme Wall
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Anna Noyd-Dryver
2015-09-23 09:15:37 UTC
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A photo of 43238 at Kings Cross today in its new NRM livery and with
I calculate that HST power cars have carried 22 different liveries
BR blue/yellow
InterCity swallow
Great Western "Merlin"
FGW green "fag packet"
FGW purple stripes
FGW plain purple
GWR green
Midland Main Line green
MML blue/grey
East Midlands Trains
Virgin XC
Virgin (no logo, as used on WCML)
GNER blue with silver lettering
GNER blue with gold lettering
NXEC
East Coast (DOR)
EC with Virgin red stripe
Virgin EC
Grand Central black
Grand Central black/orange
NR yellow.
23 if you count the prototype BR grey/blue scheme
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Graeme Wall
This account not read, substitute trains for rail.
I also forgot Arriva XC! I don't count the grey/blue scheme because only
the prototype cars carried it, but that is, I admit, splitting hairs on
what is intended to be a light-hearted discussion.
Pre-production yellow/black? I guess that counts as a 'one-off'.


Anna Noyd-Dryver
Stephen Allcroft
2015-09-23 14:07:48 UTC
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A photo of 43238 at Kings Cross today in its new NRM livery and with
I calculate that HST power cars have carried 22 different liveries
BR blue/yellow
InterCity swallow
Great Western "Merlin"
FGW green "fag packet"
FGW purple stripes
FGW plain purple
GWR green
Midland Main Line green
MML blue/grey
East Midlands Trains
Virgin XC
Virgin (no logo, as used on WCML)
GNER blue with silver lettering
GNER blue with gold lettering
NXEC
East Coast (DOR)
EC with Virgin red stripe
Virgin EC
Grand Central black
Grand Central black/orange
NR yellow.
23 if you count the prototype BR grey/blue scheme
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Graeme Wall
This account not read, substitute trains for rail.
I also forgot Arriva XC! I don't count the grey/blue scheme because only
the prototype cars carried it, but that is, I admit, splitting hairs on
what is intended to be a light-hearted discussion.
Pre-production yellow/black? I guess that counts as a 'one-off'.
Anna Noyd-Dryver
I think the 156 is also in the mid twenties for liveries, maybe higher.
G***@live.co.uk
2015-09-23 17:24:28 UTC
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A photo of 43238 at Kings Cross today in its new NRM livery and with
I calculate that HST power cars have carried 22 different liveries
BR blue/yellow
InterCity swallow
Great Western "Merlin"
FGW green "fag packet"
FGW purple stripes
FGW plain purple
GWR green
Midland Main Line green
MML blue/grey
East Midlands Trains
Virgin XC
Virgin (no logo, as used on WCML)
GNER blue with silver lettering
GNER blue with gold lettering
NXEC
East Coast (DOR)
EC with Virgin red stripe
Virgin EC
Grand Central black
Grand Central black/orange
NR yellow.
23 if you count the prototype BR grey/blue scheme
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Graeme Wall
This account not read, substitute trains for rail.
I also forgot Arriva XC! I don't count the grey/blue scheme because only
the prototype cars carried it, but that is, I admit, splitting hairs on
what is intended to be a light-hearted discussion.
Pre-production yellow/black? I guess that counts as a 'one-off'.
Anna Noyd-Dryver
I think the 156 is also in the mid twenties for liveries, maybe higher.
Thinking about 156s, I think all the liveries carried so far are:

Original BR "Super Sprinter"
BR Regional Railways
Strathclyde "red"
Strathclyde crimson/cream
Soctrail green/purple
First "barbie stripes" (AFAIR, the fNW and fSR liveries were identical apart from the logos)
Scotrail Saltire (alias "Spotrail")
BR Regional Railways with North Western green stripe
Northern Spirit
Central grey/blue (based on Regional Railways)
Central green
Central green with NXEA white stripe
East Midlands blue
"One"
"One" without the coloured bands at the ends and with NXEA white stripe
NXEA
Greater Anglia (with and without Abellio logos)
Original Northern purple/white
Present Northern purple

I make that 19 but I don't know if any 156s carried North West "gold star" or Arriva Trains Northern livery, which would make it 21, or 23 if you count GA/AGA and fNW/fSR as separate liveries.
n***@nowhere
2015-09-27 22:15:01 UTC
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On Wednesday, September 23, 2015 at 10:15:39 AM UTC+1, Anna Noyd-Dryver
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Post by Graeme Wall
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A photo of 43238 at Kings Cross today in its new NRM livery and with
I calculate that HST power cars have carried 22 different liveries
BR blue/yellow
InterCity swallow
Great Western "Merlin"
FGW green "fag packet"
FGW purple stripes
FGW plain purple
GWR green
Midland Main Line green
MML blue/grey
East Midlands Trains
Virgin XC
Virgin (no logo, as used on WCML)
GNER blue with silver lettering
GNER blue with gold lettering
NXEC
East Coast (DOR)
EC with Virgin red stripe
Virgin EC
Grand Central black
Grand Central black/orange
NR yellow.
23 if you count the prototype BR grey/blue scheme
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Graeme Wall
This account not read, substitute trains for rail.
I also forgot Arriva XC! I don't count the grey/blue scheme because only
the prototype cars carried it, but that is, I admit, splitting hairs on
what is intended to be a light-hearted discussion.
Pre-production yellow/black? I guess that counts as a 'one-off'.
Anna Noyd-Dryver
I think the 156 is also in the mid twenties for liveries, maybe higher.
Original BR "Super Sprinter"
BR Regional Railways
Strathclyde "red"
Strathclyde crimson/cream
Soctrail green/purple
First "barbie stripes" (AFAIR, the fNW and fSR liveries were identical apart from the logos)
Scotrail Saltire (alias "Spotrail")
BR Regional Railways with North Western green stripe
Northern Spirit
Central grey/blue (based on Regional Railways)
Central green
Central green with NXEA white stripe
East Midlands blue
"One"
"One" without the coloured bands at the ends and with NXEA white stripe
NXEA
Greater Anglia (with and without Abellio logos)
Original Northern purple/white
Present Northern purple
I make that 19 but I don't know if any 156s carried North West "gold star" or
Arriva Trains Northern livery, which would make it 21, or 23 if you count
GA/AGA and fNW/fSR as separate liveries.
http://members.madasafish.com/~dysgraphyk/156/class156_livery.htm
Phil Cook
2015-09-23 14:10:51 UTC
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A photo of 43238 at Kings Cross today in its new NRM livery and with
I calculate that HST power cars have carried 22 different liveries
BR blue/yellow
Pre-production yellow/black? I guess that counts as a 'one-off'.
I spent ages looking for photographic evidence of that and gave it up
as a figment of my memory.
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Anna Noyd-Dryver
2015-09-23 21:44:45 UTC
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Post by G***@live.co.uk
A photo of 43238 at Kings Cross today in its new NRM livery and with
I calculate that HST power cars have carried 22 different liveries
BR blue/yellow
Pre-production yellow/black? I guess that counts as a 'one-off'.
I spent ages looking for photographic evidence of that and gave it up as
a figment of my memory.
I've definitely seen a photo, in Railway Magazine at a guess. No idea when
though...

Aha: <Loading Image...>

Anna Noyd-Dryver
Anna Noyd-Dryver
2015-09-22 20:37:05 UTC
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A photo of 43238 at Kings Cross today in its new NRM livery and with
I calculate that HST power cars have carried 22 different liveries
FGW purple stripes
There were two (or possibly three, depending how picky you get) variations
on this.


Anna Noyd-Dryver
Anna Noyd-Dryver
2015-09-23 21:44:44 UTC
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Post by G***@live.co.uk
A photo of 43238 at Kings Cross today in its new NRM livery and with
I calculate that HST power cars have carried 22 different liveries
FGW purple stripes
There were two (or possibly three, depending how picky you get) variations
on this.
The two varieties conveniently in one photograph:
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There were also three power cars which recieved 'wavy stripes' : two for
the franchise launch train and one for a naming ceremony (one side only!).
Do they count as 'one offs'?
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Anna Noyd-Dryver
Sam Wilson
2015-09-23 17:26:06 UTC
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A photo of 43238 at Kings Cross today in its new NRM livery and with
I calculate that HST power cars have carried 22 different liveries between
BR blue/yellow
InterCity swallow
Great Western "Merlin"
FGW green "fag packet"
FGW purple stripes
FGW plain purple
GWR green
Midland Main Line green
MML blue/grey
East Midlands Trains
Virgin XC
Virgin (no logo, as used on WCML)
GNER blue with silver lettering
GNER blue with gold lettering
NXEC
East Coast (DOR)
EC with Virgin red stripe
Virgin EC
Grand Central black
Grand Central black/orange
NR yellow.
Can any other loco or MU type beat that?
Did they have a phase in GNER blue with a white stripe (instead of red)
in the early days of NXEC, like the 91s and DVTs did?

Sam
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G***@live.co.uk
2015-09-23 17:33:47 UTC
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A photo of 43238 at Kings Cross today in its new NRM livery and with
I calculate that HST power cars have carried 22 different liveries between
BR blue/yellow
InterCity swallow
Great Western "Merlin"
FGW green "fag packet"
FGW purple stripes
FGW plain purple
GWR green
Midland Main Line green
MML blue/grey
East Midlands Trains
Virgin XC
Virgin (no logo, as used on WCML)
GNER blue with silver lettering
GNER blue with gold lettering
NXEC
East Coast (DOR)
EC with Virgin red stripe
Virgin EC
Grand Central black
Grand Central black/orange
NR yellow.
Can any other loco or MU type beat that?
Did they have a phase in GNER blue with a white stripe (instead of red)
in the early days of NXEC, like the 91s and DVTs did?
Sam
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Yes they did - I'd forgotten that - so 24 liveries.
Charlie Hulme
2015-09-23 18:15:26 UTC
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Can any other loco or MU type beat that?
Class 47?

From memory:

BR two-tone green
BR original blue
BR large-logo blue
Raifreight Grey
Railfreight red-stripe grey
Railfreight triple-grey (do sectors count individually?)
Railfreight triple-grey international version
Triple-grey Freightliner version
Regional Railways
Regional Railways Scotrail
Inter City
'Mainline' version of Intercity
Rail Express Systems
Virgin Trains
EWS
Freightliner green
Great Western Trains dark green
Waterman Railways black
FM Rail maroon
West Coast Railways maroon
Colas Rail orange
DRS original blue
DRS 'compass'
Anglia light blue
'One' with rainbow stripes

Many more if you count liveries applied to small numbers of locos.

Charlie
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unknown
2015-09-23 22:52:54 UTC
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On Wed, 23 Sep 2015 19:15:26 +0100, Charlie Hulme
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Railfreight triple-grey (do sectors count individually?)
I'd say yes if GNER Blue with two different colours of lettering
counted from the HST list.

Without thinking about it for too long I can add:

Parcels Red / Grey
Dutch
Departmental Grey
GWR 150
2 versions of NSE
Costwold

I think 37s would also beat the 43s
Martin Coffee
2015-09-24 12:21:37 UTC
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Post by Charlie Hulme
Class 47?
BR two-tone green
BR original blue
BR large-logo blue
Raifreight Grey
Railfreight red-stripe grey
Railfreight triple-grey (do sectors count individually?)
Railfreight triple-grey international version
Triple-grey Freightliner version
Regional Railways
Regional Railways Scotrail
Inter City
'Mainline' version of Intercity
Rail Express Systems
Virgin Trains
EWS
Freightliner green
Great Western Trains dark green
Waterman Railways black
FM Rail maroon
West Coast Railways maroon
Colas Rail orange
DRS original blue
DRS 'compass'
Anglia light blue
'One' with rainbow stripes
Does the giant Union Flag livery for the Queen's Silver Jubilee count?
Charlie Hulme
2015-09-24 12:54:03 UTC
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Class 47?
BR two-tone green
BR original blue
BR large-logo blue
Raifreight Grey
Railfreight red-stripe grey
Railfreight triple-grey (do sectors count individually?)
Railfreight triple-grey international version
Triple-grey Freightliner version
Regional Railways
Regional Railways Scotrail
Inter City
'Mainline' version of Intercity
Rail Express Systems
Virgin Trains
EWS
Freightliner green
Great Western Trains dark green
Waterman Railways black
FM Rail maroon
West Coast Railways maroon
Colas Rail orange
DRS original blue
DRS 'compass'
Anglia light blue
'One' with rainbow stripes
Does the giant Union Flag livery for the Queen's Silver Jubilee count?
If it does, then with similar variations you could probably get
class 47 up to a hundred. Railway Magazine had articles showing
them all a year or so ago.

Incidentally, I obviously missed off the two versions of Network
SouthEast from my list.

Charlie
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